142. There Has to Be More to Life Than This! with Chris McClure the Author of “The Way to Greatness: Discover The Five Continual Choices That Lead To The GREAT Life.”

Our guest today is Chris buckler. Chris buckler is

an author, a coach and a trainer. And he is all about

helping you to understand there is more to life than you

thought. In fact, you can have a great life. He is the author of

the way to greatness, five continuous choices to lead to

the great life. He blogs at mcclurg coaching.com. And at

lead life big.com we're glad to have on beyond adversity today,

Chris buckler, Chris, welcome.

Thanks so much, Brad. It's awesome to be here.

It is awesome to have you here. We have something

in common we both come from a background as pastors and

churches and, and I've experienced some of the, some of

the joys and and, and affirmations of that and some of

the challenges of their life. And that led you to some of the

things that you're doing now in the business community and

writing a couple books. And so but I got a feeling that did

you've got an interesting journey that kind of led you to

where you're at now, could you just share with us a little bit

about the pathway that led you may be into ministry and then

into what you're doing

now? Absolutely, yeah, it's, it's, uh, I always

start back when I was 16 years old, when I when somebody asked

me that question, because, you know, I was, it was right,

between my junior and senior year of high school, I was

confused feeling lost that Yeah, I'd grown up in the church, I

had a great faith, had great Christian influences, you know,

in my, in my life with my family and everything. But, you know,

when it came down to career or vocational decisions, I just, I

had no no direction until I was, you know, almost a senior in

high school. And it was frustrating to me, because I had

a lot of friends who knew exactly what they were going to

do. They knew what college they were gonna go to, they had all

these things planned out, so to speak. Right? And, and my youth

pastor came to me, I was very frustrated. And he came to me

and he said, you know, would you like to go on a mission trip

with our team.

And the following summer between my junior and senior year, we're

going to go to Guyana, South America 17 days. And I didn't

know where that country was never heard of it. Didn't didn't

know what we're gonna be doing. All I heard was, I was gonna be

away from home for 17 days. And I bet that appealed to you.

Right? And it did it really like, at that moment, I just

felt like I needed to get away, you know, and, and maybe

something different would would be good. You know, for me, you

know, I just didn't know, I was just feeling I said, feeling

frustrated, stuck, lost, about what to do with my life beyond

high school. And I felt like that pressure was mounting as I

was heading towards my junior year, or my senior year, rather.

And so long story short, that I went to this mission trip, you

know, we had a great experience there learned a lot. And our

youth pastor, we'd have these nightly debriefing meetings

about all the work we're doing and, and he would start asking

questions, like, you know, it's great that we come here and do

this for a couple weeks, but what are we going to do we go

back home? And what is it what is your life look like? You

know, back home, because this is a short term experience. And,

and it was in that moment, where I just knew that God was up to

something, and he was really stirring in my heart and got

back home and just felt like he, he a guy was saying to me, you

know, do what Tommy has been doing for you. You know, help

people understand their purpose, help people understand how they

can move forward in their own lives. And so, you know, he was

my youth pastor. So I thought, well, I'll just go be a youth

pastor. You know, it's kinda like when people have a great

teacher, and they think, well, I'll just go into teaching,

because that's been my great experience. For me, it was my

youth pastor was that person. And so he followed a path of

your mentor. Yeah, exactly. Just doing Yeah, it works for him,

it's maybe it'll work for me.

And so he went to Kentucky Christian university, I went and

I went and visited the school and decided that was where I was

going to go. And so I went from all this fog and lack of clarity

to a clear path forward, I'm gonna go be a youth pastor, I'm

gonna go to the school, I'm going to, you know, I made all

these decisions, like it felt like overnight is really an

maybe, maybe a two or three month period, by the, by the

beginning of my senior year, I went from total confusion to I

felt like a total peace because God had given me a plan and a

way forward for to do that. And so, you know, went to college,

very motivated at college because of the clarity I had,

and had some great internships with some other great youth

pastors and leaders that I still revere as as good friends and

mentors. And, and that was my journey, you know, and I thought

that was gonna be my life. And, and so I did that for there was

a youth pastor about 13 to 15 years, I started to shift roles

a little bit over time serving three different churches in my

full time, church work, but shifted more to an associate

role, and then ultimately to an executive pastor role where I

was managing a staff and leading teams and developing, you know,

things organizationally, and once again, it was it felt like

it was that next stepping stone of where God was leading me and

and every Thing seemed great until it didn't.

So thanks for cruising along relatively well

according to your more or less intended path from like dad's

high school days on. And then something happened.

Yeah. When I was just said, I tell people I'm

like, I really didn't have adversity, Brad until I was in

my mid 30s. And, and, and I didn't know how to handle it,

because he very well, you know, because of that. And I felt

like, all of a sudden, I must be doing something wrong, or God

must not be happy with something I'm doing or choosing or

whatever. Because everything else had come easy. I needed one

internship to get out of college, and I ended up with

three, I had friends who couldn't get one, you know, to

figure it out, I kept finding the next step in my journey in

my church work, you know, doors opened, it seemed obvious,

smooth transitions, you know, things were just easy for up

and the hit that mark for me was we had a major leadership,

conflict or crisis in our church staff where I was serving. And I

was I found myself in the middle of something that I didn't ask

for didn't want. And, and it was personal on some levels, you

know, with people, as we know, in the church, it could get very

personal because it is about people first and and all of a

sudden, I was like, on my mind, that easy, smooth road that I

was on just felt like I got totally disrupted, like boulders

were coming down the mountainside, and I didn't know

what to do.

But apparently, you did something because you ended

up transitioning out of the parish ministry into the

business world. So whatever impacted you whatever the

leadership issues were enough to cause you. A huge pivot in your

life and career. So tell us a bit about that. That pivot that

transition, some other process that led you there?

Yeah, well, even even so. So now now I'm looking

can think back where this really started to become a thing for me

was, I started to feel this pool gravitation to the business

community. And back then I didn't have any of this

adversity, I didn't have any of these challenges, everything was

good at the time for the most part. But and so I didn't

understand like, I didn't go to college to get a business

degree, I didn't have a plan to go into the business world or

anything. And all of a sudden, I felt like this interest, all of

a sudden, that started to rise up in me toward the business

community and, and I didn't know what to do with it for many

years. So it was in it was in the midst of that adversity

about five or six years later, where I started to really go

God, what do you want me to do? If I'm not doing what I'm doing

in my church work? At this local church? What do I do because I

don't understand my value in the marketplace. I don't know. I

don't know what kind of industry I would go work in. If I were,

if I just left to my church job to go find a certain quote

unquote, regular job in the in the marketplace, right? I didn't

know my value. I didn't know how to write a resume to get noticed

all those things. I started interviewing some people that I

knew about in the community that were business leaders, owners,

nonprofit leaders, just trying to get a feel for like, Where do

I fit. And so that was part of my journey was I'm in the middle

of this crisis, still dealing with it, wanting out not sure

where to go. So I started looking to other people that

might give me some clues and some insight on what value Am I

bring to the table and everything and different

industries. So ultimately, I joined the john Maxwell team, to

be a leadership coach, because I thought, you know, I even looked

into getting my MBA, getting a master's degree in leadership.

But I thought, you know, I really, I really, my kids were

young, I didn't really feel like it was the right thing to go

back to school at that time, it was gonna take a while. And the

john Maxwell team program looked like a great fit for me, I'd

been following john and reading his books. And actually, he was

the first personal growth book author I think I ever read at 19

years old. And so I'd always been following him and

appreciated what he had taught and trained and helped me with

or, you know, over the years. And so that's the route by when

I joined the team to get training and coaching there. And

felt like all of a sudden, I better start a business because

somebody might actually pay me to do what I'm learning how to

do. But once again, had no plan of starting a business. I didn't

know what that I thought it was more about building my skill set

for more of a resume to find a job. And God was saying, No,

start out start a business, you know, people will pay you to, to

coach them to do to do training, I was passionate about

leadership and personal growth, you know, and so, you know, once

again, lots of I tell people, I felt like my family and I were

very faithful, you know, throughout our lives, but I felt

fan.

So around that time what so it sounds like you've

had all these internal and dilemmas going on and all these

external factors with your church position. Then you have

leadership being led in the areas of leadership and personal

development. But I want to ask you, Chris, what were some of

the actual actions that you had to take some of them even be

they internal or be they, you know, going in and talking to

some of the leadership that you have to talk to you to make

those transitions? Yeah. What were some of the bold actions,

some of the pivotal moments that you really had to do?

Yeah, I think first of all, I had to make up

my mind that I wasn't going to take what I was being dealt

without responding. You know, I, I was such a, I'm a people

person. And therefore, I had to guard myself about being a

people pleaser. And I could have been walked on. And I felt like

I was being walked on for a while, like a doormat, and I had

to choose not to let that happen and to take responsibility for

my life. And it wasn't that I was going to fight back. That

wasn't my intent. I didn't, I didn't do that. I wasn't going

to do that. But I also wasn't going to just be abused, or, you

know, run over either, because I was, you know, I tell people, I

was even talking to somebody about this today that when I

take the the Clifton Strength Finders assessment, my number

one strength is harmony. And my second one is responsibility.

When those two things can collide, because I want to keep

people harmoniously together, I want to be at peace with people

I want to make sure there are there is peace. And then when

there's not that, you know, that's hard for me, but I also

am responsible. And I want to make sure that things are done

well. So for me, I had to take the bold action of saying, okay,

enough's enough, I'm not going to just let somebody run me over

because of their agenda, I'm going to take responsibility and

what I can do on my end, and that's why I started looking for

alternatives, because I knew I didn't want to stay in that

situation. I couldn't stay in it for a long, long term, it was

unhealthy. And so that was bread. That was that first

decision was the key Domino for me that fell

to start looking for other options take full

responsibility to understood that when you're is one thing to

sacrifice to serve. But it's another thing to be abused, you

know, right. And to. And, and that's where you have to take

responsibility, because you can't really serve others. If

you're being abused and crushed, you have to have some self

confidence and self effort. Yeah, for affirmation.

Absolutely. And so for that it was, you know,

that and then and then the next step was to, to explore options.

You know, like, once again, I said, I interviewed some folks

just to kind of get a feel for things, ended up joining the

Maxwell team to to get the training and the skills and

under my belt, which ultimately led me to a great community of

other leaders around the world that I learned about all the

options that I could have. And so that that action alone opened

my eyes to beyond my church, world bubble that I've been in,

which wasn't bad. I mean, you know, I tell people, my

experience in church ministry was great. And for the most

part, it was this one issue that I really felt like God allowed

to happen, so that it kind of kicked me out of the nest of

this bubble I was in and to expand my vision to, to show me

that he had a bigger plan for me outside of just my local church

setting, but that it was that plus, you know, the business

community, the business world.

I love that analogy. kick you out of the

nest.

Yeah. You know,

you don't fly until you get other nest, right.

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So that so I say that and

then, you know, taking the step of, of even making my business

official, you know, doing the action of a draw a line in the

sand and getting the legal stuff taken care of to get my LLC

started. And your I know, that's a

huge that's a huge step. Really, because you got to

put some, you got to put some legal entity on the line some

money on the line, and yeah, make it official. Yeah.

And then and then for that, it, you know, after

that it was okay, how do I get clients? How do I learn this

business? You know, how do I market and myself? How do I get

clients to hire me to coach them and to do training and, and that

was probably the hardest thing for me, you know, after after I

got through the initial phases of, Okay, I'm going to do this,

I'm going to go down this path, then it was okay. Now, I've got

to get serious, I have to do I have to take action. I've never

sold before. I've never done marketing before, you know, so

to speak in the in the business community. So I had to learn a

lot. And I'm still in a learning process. I tell you, no, but but

I am a whole lot further than I was. But I just know, I still

have a long way to go. But learning this

was, for me, that's awesome. So you took took

responsibility, and you took some action, you set up your

LLC, and you went to get clients, that kind of thing. So

let's so those are some of the actions that you took. I want to

kind of take a twist here with you here for just a second here,

Chris, and you. You know, you mentioned being from the the

church world and the faith based world and yet when things go

south there sometimes people can have a real, a real challenge to

your faith and I'm not sure if it was the case with you or not.

I know that it has happened and in the world of faith based

people when something goes south thing, you know, you have to

challenge to that. My question to you has to do with behind

storm, a believer that one has to draw on a power higher than

themselves in order to make true life transformation. Yeah, in

what ways in the face of this challenge you may have had to

your professional faith based life, were you able to call upon

any kind of a source of power higher than yourself, be it

spiritual or educational, otherwise, it will help you in

this transformation as

well. I tell people all the time that, you

know, I've heard somebody say that entrepreneurship is one of

the most personal growth intensive ventures you can have.

I would also argue that it's one of the greatest faith growing

ventures you can you can have. And so for me, I find the irony

is that I am closer to God, I am more committed to God in my

daily disciplines in my ongoing relationship with the Lord,

today, because of this journey, than I was even as a pastor in a

church setting. Now, it wasn't that I was distant from God,

don't get me wrong. But once again, I've had to learn to lean

in on God in ways that I didn't have to before because, you

know, it's that whole thing of when you know, when the

paychecks coming in, when things are steady, when things are

good. You know, we can even become dependent on ourselves a

little too much. And thinking that, you know, we got it all

down. But when we're really out there having to walk by faith,

we're tested. And for me, my my faith is like sky. Fire years,

through this journey I've been on closely, Lord than ever,

outside of the box of the denominational boundaries, maybe

that I was raised in or grown up in and served in even, I just

feel like God has opened my eyes to things to expand my faith and

understanding of him and his word. So for me, yeah, it's that

whole pivoting point of you can either go, you know, you can go

bitter, or you can get better and, and in my room situation it

was, I really believe that this journey has made me a whole lot

better personally, but also deeper in my faith and my trust

and the Lord. That's awesome. That's awesome.

And yet, we have this bias. People I believe, who

have go through transformation, especially as they face

adversity, do make some choices to take some action. And they do

draw on a higher power, it's got to be something spiritual about

it. But also, there's an emotional element, there is a

relationship element that I believe is so important there

and, and basically, that has to do with how you love and

experience, love, and share love and how you are empowered by

powerful relationships. So tell us what role any kind of

relationships I'm talking about either family, or it could be

mentorship, it could even be influence of great books and

things like this. Tell me about how relationships and

relationship building and accountability as a part of a

transformation process for you?

Yeah, well, like I said, when I joined the

Maxwell team, I found myself in a community of people that I

would never have engaged with, had I not entered that. And so I

had some, I felt like the world opened up relationally to some

amazing people that had similar passions. So that that

encouraged me and really helped me and knew and kind of found my

tribe, you know, so to speak, to really connect with. But my good

friend, Mark, who is later now he's become my writing coach and

editor for helping me with my books. He felt led by this fear

one time to just contact me. And we've been great friends for the

last almost six years, because, you know, he felt prompted to

reach out to me, and he's 20 years older than me. So he has

been, he's been a brother to me. He's been a writing coach, and

you know, kind of an author coach to help me through my book

product processes. But he's also been a mentor, because he's gone

through some significantly hard things in his own ministry

career as a church planter and pastor himself over 30 some

years. And he helped me navigate the challenges I was facing. And

he had been there done that had the T shirt, so to speak. So he

was able to help me see where I was better understanding that.

So his, his friendship, his mentorship was huge. Yeah, just,

you know, I'm thankful that I have a great family. And so I've

had family support, you know, I meet a lot of people who are

trying to build businesses and do the entrepreneurial thing and

they don't have family support. They don't they have more

adversity there than because people don't necessarily believe

in them or they, they don't think that what they're doing is

valuable, or they don't understand it, whatever it may

be. I haven't run into that. So I've had I've had this great

support system around me, my friends and family, my church

that I was serving, I mean, we're still a part of that. That

church as a family and people are excited, you know, they read

my first book launch there'll be at my next book launch they

they've been cheering me on when I when I said I was leaving,

officially to go into my business full time. You know, I

left with excitement and blessing on you know, from them.

And other people are asking me how how things are going all the

time, you know, they're really they're in my corner. So. So I

think that God plays p key people in my path at the right

time that I needed in this new season that I was navigating.

And so that was huge for me because it can be a lonely

journey, you know?

Well, that's encouraging you Well, you I

think you need a balance and transform. It's transformative

relationships of encouragement and accountability and some

coaching occasional kick in the rear and sometimes a pat in the

back, you know, all that kind of thing. And certainly, and you

certainly need that. And I believe the healthiest ways that

happens is when you do have accountability and relationships

on different levels, family, spouse, church, mentorship, all

that type of thing. Absolutely. And so now you're looking to

offer some of that to some others, aren't you? Absolutely.

So yeah, that's,

that's what I tell people, I feel like I get

this, I'm blessed. Because I get to be this guide, or this

partner with people in my coaching with them to help them

grow, to help them navigate their own challenges to help

them even think through their own opportunities. I had a ahead

of friend call me this the other night, I was watching my son

play soccer, and he's making this this friend of mine is

making a career change decision and just asked him to call me

and someone beside the soccer sideline, talking to this guy,

you know about some things he wants to just kind of run by me

and, and I just felt like I had this moment is going, you know,

I love what I get to do. And that was just a friend

conversation. But people, you know, for professional side of

things do pay me for similar conversations and, and training

and helping them navigate these things. And so, for me, there's

the business side of it, but but it's bigger than that. It's

definitely a calling. It's one of those things where, you know,

they say, Fine, what you would do for free and and, you know,

and find a way to get paid for, you know, I feel like I'm living

that, you know,

cause there's more, there's more to life than what

we sometimes feel like it should be there. It's an opportunity

for me to be great. Yeah. So I'd like you to, let's get into your

book a little bit about the way to greatness, you talk about

five choices, yeah, that people can make. And so tell us a bit

about your book, and also in terms of how you can be offer

this as a kind of a coaching. encouragement to some of our

listeners.

Sure, sure. So So I even say this in my book, but

I've always said I'm a simple guy, I learned in simple ways I

like to teach simply, I like to help people in simple ways. And

so the way to greatness is really about, it's got five

sections based on these five choices that we need to

continually make. And within each of those five choices, I

have a five step training process or coaching process that

I walk people through to help them really make progress in

each of these areas. And so the five choices are one, the first

one is build your God course the faith component of your life,

it's like the core of your body. You know, when you go to the

gym, you got to strengthen your abs and your back everything to

make your body strong. So I call it build your God core, your

faith core, basically. And then I have protect your

relationships. You know, I believe that God wants us to

have healthy relationships. And to do that, in order to have

them, we have to protect them, we have to do the work to

protect them. The third choice is to renew your mind, you know,

the apostle Paul said, Romans 12, you know, that we need to

transform our minds to be renewed so that we can

understand God's will for our lives. The fourth choice is to

manage your resources, it's the stewardship component, I mostly

talk about money in the book, because that's where most people

are, you know, attach that to, but you can certainly expand

that to health, another, you know, parts of our lives as

well. And then the fifth choice is to, to manage your time, you

know, because it's the one non renewable resource we have. And

a lot of us squander our time. We have lots of distractions in

the world today that we have to fight off every day. And so

those are the five choices. And so I walk readers through and my

clients through I have a course I have a coaching program that I

help people through. Where I'm the point of the way to great is

when Jesus says that we have this enemy in Satan, the devil

comes to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus said, I've

come to give you life to the fool, and some translations a

rich, satisfying or abundant life. And so I call it the great

life. And it's, you know, that integrate is an acronym that God

gave me to kind of frame this but but that's what I believe

God wants us to have. And I don't see many people

experiencing that.

Yeah. When we're to experience that you've got to do

the things you were talking about, make a decision to do it

and then be, you know, drop On your spiritual life and the

relationships, in order to have the great life, you also have to

have application of it. No, you have to implement it into your

life. And I'd like for you to talk a little bit about how you

either you're yourself or how you can advocate for

disciplines, habits, practices that maybe come out of your

book, or out of your experience that people can implement some

of the things you're teaching here. Sure.

So my, my chapters aren't called chapters,

they're called action steps. So if that tells you anything, I'm

an action oriented guy. A lot of people have called me to get it

done guy, I'm the I'm the action taker, I'm an implementer, I

love to take action. And even before we started, you know, our

recording area I was talking about it, I have to focus more

on the strategy a lot of time on it, be diligent about that,

because I can just jump into action. So I want to what what

the book does is give you a, what I call a clear, simple

repeatable action plan, that you can go over a time and time

again. So I didn't write this book as what as a as a book that

you would read once put down and never look at, again, it's more

of a guide book with clear action steps to take and review

them, you know, because here's the thing I kind of a mountain

metaphor has come into my mind through this process of, you

know, it's like I heard somebody say, one time, you know, when

you're climbing a mountain towards a goal, what happens is

you get to the top of that mountain, and all of a sudden,

you can see other mountains that you can climb. And so I look at

each of these five choices as almost like five mountains that

you're climbing. And so if I'm climbing in my faith, I'm

growing, I'm growing, I'm growing, I get to the peak of

what I thought was the highest level, I could go so to speak.

But now I realize I can go further, right, or there's

another another next step or another, you know, destination

out there. Same thing with our relationships, our mindset, our

stewardship, and our time. It's so so it's very action oriented,

because I believe that, you know, I'm not going to stop

growing till the day I die. You know, I want to keep growing. I

want to keep improving. I want to get better every day.

Go on if it's 1% go on to perfection is kind of the

tradition I come from get better every day. Perfection comes in

heaven. That's, that's awesome. That's awesome, man. Well,

let's, let's try to implement this now directly to our

listeners. What I mean by that is, you mentioned a minute ago,

Chris about how a person who called you while you're at the

soccer your son's soccer game and, and how you were able to

share a little bit with him. But I'd like to hear a little bit

about maybe, perhaps what you share with this person. But I

this our podcast, beyond adversity is aimed to help

people navigate those times, when they are have those pivotal

moments, those defining moments. So I just want you to kind of

put yourself in the place of, of a young man, young father, who

maybe haven't maybe out of the COVID crisis, maybe some

situation has happened, the work or in the family, or whatever

they are making some. So defining moments before them.

What kind of what would you kind of things would you share to

that person?

Yeah, absolutely. So I think a lot of it is I

think about it from like, going on a trip, you know, when you

when you're getting ready to plug in your GPS coordinates,

right on a trip, you have to know your end destination where

you want to go. And so a lot of it where I tell people is, you

know, really, there's an exercise to talk about my book

about looking out five years, and what he What would you like

to see your life looking like five years from now? And, you

know, who are you with? What are you doing? What are the sights,

the smells, the sounds, I mean, just get into that moment of

that vision of what five years can look like, and then start to

backtrack and go Okay, well, to get there. What did I have to

do? To get there? What were what was what I had to do in year

1234, you know, up to year five? Because I think a lot of

reverse engineering type of thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Because it's, well, Stephen

Covey, you know, always said, What beginning with the end in

mind, yes, you know, and so if you, if we, if I use the

analogy, that what the GPS thing, if you don't plug in the

right destination, it'll take you somewhere you can, you can

start your GPS, and it'll show you that you're going places,

but it's not necessarily going to take you to where you

ultimately want to end up. And so you need to determine your

destination, you know, where do you want to go? And then you

need to start taking action towards getting there. And so,

the first key A lot of times, I think people are reacting,

especially in moments of adversity, and I know I found

myself there was, you know, I was just trying to get out or

run away even for a moment. And God had to kind of slow me down

and say, okay, but what is the bigger picture here? You know,

and and asking the question, why what you know, what did you know

Simon Sinek kind of made it, you know, very popular with start

with why, you know, in his book A few years ago, but right you

know, digging deeper and I Dennis with clients, you know,

I'll ask him why three to five times just to get down to more

the core of why they say they want to accomplish something or

do something or go somewhere, whatever. So I think a lot of it

is that beginning with you in mind asking why you want to get

there to get to your core, you know, purpose in life and your

core calling. And then once again, defining what are the

steps I need to take. And I think that was one of the things

for me. I heard I heard a video by john Maxwell, when I was in

that process of making a decision about joining the

Maxwell team, and what am I gonna do? And he said something

that really stuck with me and it was, you know, in his case, he

said, 10 years from now, he said, you know, where do you

wanna be 10 years from now, but but one of the question that

really got me was, Well, what do you need to do in the next 30

days? To start down that path?

What's your next steps? Right?

Yeah. And so for me, I think that's where a lot

of people, you know, whatever, you know, area of law, and I

chose these, you know, I feel like God gave me these choices.

First of all, because there are five areas that people struggle

with regularly. But, but each of these it's kind of same thing.

Where do you want to go? What, what do you want your fate to

look like? What do you want your relationships look like? What do

you how do you want to be thinking about life? And you

know, how do you want your money and finances to look like and

what do you want your time freedom, your lifestyle to look

like?

Do you want to be great?

Yeah, right? And what does great look like today

to you? Because here's the thing, what that vision of

greatness looks like five years from now, when I get there, I'm

going to have a new expanded vision of what greatness looks

like from there. Right? And so it's this it continually grows,

and it continually expands when you when you really do that

exercise. So I think that's a lot of it is slowing down

journaling, thinking, praying, you know, talking to some

trusted advisors, mentors, family members that, you know,

kind of mapping out your life and going okay, here's where

I've been, here's my situation, where do I, if, if today was day

one, as every day really is, What do I want? The next days to

look like? What do I do next months and years look like?

Perhaps a part of that process is picking up the

way to greatness, discover the five continual choices that lead

to the great life, and maybe getting connected with crisper

clearer. So how can people do that if they want to get

connected and learn more about you and what you have to?

Well, specifically to this book, they

can actually Bradley can go get a free copy of the book The way

to greatness, calm and just pay a small shipping handling fee,

and I'll send it out to them right away. So I have that offer

out there. By my website where you know, more details. I

actually had my own podcast, I've kind of paused it for a

while. But it's lead life big calm. And so I have podcast

episodes there I've blog articles there. That's where

kind of my resource hub for the way to greatness, you know,

where it all started, so to speak. So there's there's that

and then through there, they can connect with me as well. You

know, I also have a clerk coaching calm, which is more my

executive leadership coaching, business side of things that I

that I have over there. So I work with entrepreneurs and

executives and, and even with them, you know, I'm trying to

help them with Yes, leadership, but really, it's about their

life I want I want people that are high level leaders to be

able to have the kind of life that they're really working so

hard for a lot of times they're not because they're so busy in

the business that they're not, you know, growing in these core

components of life,

so help help people discover that the indeed there

is more to life than this. Absolutely. Yeah. So want to

thank you for being with us. His name is Chris mclr. His book is

the way to greatness. Discover the five continuous choices that

lead to the great life. We thank Chris buckler for being our

guest today on the beyond the diversity podcast.