201: Leading The Way In Preventing Child Sex Trafficking With Jan Edwards

Hello, good people. Welcome to Beyond Adversity with Dr. Brad Miller.

This is a podcast where we help you to grow through what you go

through whatever adversity you may be facing. We'd love to talk to

people who either have faced some adversity in their life and come

through to a better place or are helping other people to face profound

adverse life events. And one area that is really significantly impacted

the world in Philly forever, but certainly come to the forefront in recent

years is the whole issue of online sexual exploitation of children and

sex trafficking. It is just a horrible, terrible thing. I've have had some

experience myself and dealing with this from the Ministry perspective.

But we are going to be glad to talk to our special guests here today,

Jan Edwards, who's dealing with this area in life. She comes from the

perspective of one who was in the corporate world doing some really

good things there and having some success, but at a pivotal moment,

which changed her towards really focusing on this area of life. So Jan

Edwards, welcome to Beyond Adversity.

Thank you, Brad, very happy to be with you today.

It is an honor to have you with us, then maybe your organization

is Paving the Way Foundation. You are all about helping to prevent

child sex trafficking and online sexual abuse, especially of children

and education of parents, and so on about all this. I've got a feeling

that this wasn't always where you were tracking in your life. And I

know that you had some success in a business and corporate world,

and then something changed. Tell us a little bit about your story,

about where you were, what happened, and what focused

you towards this area?

Sure. Well, I was working in corporate America and left that I

was working for a startup. And which afforded me the opportunity

to go to a couple of really cool conferences, and one happened to be

in New York. And I came back and left that job. And at the same day,

I was laid off, I was invited to the Get Health Summit at the UN,

which was a few weeks later. And I went right. I had nothing else to

lose, I already made these connections. So like I'm going and it was there

that I met this extraordinary man, Dr. Mehari, who has a 501 C three

that gathers the dispara of Ethiopia to really make a difference for the

orphan children and we exchanged cards, exchanged texts, exchanged

emails, and where the emails was, I said, you know, he was like, Yeah, Jan,

you know, we're planning to go to Ethiopia. I can't connect with you until

after we get back. I'm like, not a problem. Have a great time. send me

pictures. And he sends an email right back and says, Do you want to go?

Okay. It's not everyday brandy get invited to go to

Yeah, that's that. That's awesome. So I'm assuming you went.

I went!

Yeah.

And if you know, you're being a pastor, I know, You've been on several

medical missions. So you know what it's like. And there were many missions.

I know, you know what it's like, at the end of the day of the mission day, right.

I've also been on a medical mission as well. So yes, yeah.

So you're poop to give your all for 12-14 hours a day. And really, all you want to do is go home.

You have a medical? I just curious, do you have a medical background yourself?

Um, no, but I was working for medical device company.

Oh, I see. Okay. I'm with you now.

Yeah. So we were there. We were, you know, coming home from a long day

doing our thing. And there's just a moment in time, it was in Addis Ababa, which

has two stoplights, by the way. So you can only match what the traffic's like. And,

you know, we're stuck in traffic. And I looked over and there were two older men and

two younger women, and it just didn't feel right. And by the time I, you know, my brain

started connecting with what I was feeling, you know, off we were. So when I got home

to my sponsors house, I shared with him what I saw, and he's like, oh, yeah, that's human

trafficking. Like, oh, let's have a cup of coffee is very nonchalant. I was like, Hang on.

you're talking almost 10 years ago, you know, Epstein hadn't happened. Our Kelly hadn't

happened. So I'm staring him I go, What are you talking about? When he says Jim,

Ethiopia has 4.5 million orphans. They were the number one source of human

trafficking into the Middle East. And again, I sat there and I and I'm looking at

him. Like, I don't know what you're like I heard the words but my brain wasn't

connecting. What are you telling me? And I said, Hang on. I said, Are you telling

me people are selling people? Like I couldn't wrap my head around it? Again,

he looks at me and He says January event, like this is $150 billion industry.

And I smiled sweetly and said, Wow, I live in Orlando. We don't really talk

about this. Right. So it was right there got laid on my heart. And I came

home and started do some research and discover that Florida has the

third highest number of calls to the national trafficking hotline behind

California and Texas. Now, it's not, you know, it's a good thing, right?

Because people, it's front side of the hand back side of the hand kind

of thing. People know, to pick up the phone and call, right, which is

good. They're actually placing an action. On the backside is there's

a reason for them to take an action. So they're seeing something.

And after doing a little bit more research, I discovered that children

are the primary target. And I remember sitting there at my desk, and it's

sometimes very young children as well, right? Yeah.

Yeah. And I remember sitting my desk thinking, Well, I kind of talked to

, they're my answer. They're my solution, right? Well, this is a little bit of

an uncomfortable topic to talk about in, they wouldn't have it. So

I'm a little bit on the assertive side bread. I'm like a dog with a bone s

ometimes, right. And plus, by the way, God gave this to me, right? I am

God's girl. And I'm like, I'm supposed to do what he tells me to do. But

okay, I'm like, Fine, I'm gonna go talk to your kids. And so we've educated

over 16,000 young people, and adults in the past five years about human

beginning of the conversation, it really does a lot of the heavy lifting

trafficking, and we use our film trapped in the trade is the basis for the

and showing the grooming recruitment tactics that are used, that our

children on our stand, they're being groomed and recruited. And parents

don't understand what it looks like. So they really can't have that prevention

conversation with them, right. So we're really out to disrupt it by educating

our parents and empowering our kids. So together, we can prevent it.

I'm sure you've learned a lot about that whole process on everything that

happens in the grooming and all the recruitment. And there really does

six stuff that goes on. And then teaching others is part of what you're all about

now, and but for everybody, I think Jan, they have to have their kind of their

aha moment with whatever it is, in this case, human trafficking and share

your briefly one of one of my aha moments. And this I, I live in suburban

Indianapolis, Indiana, and tin GISTIC almost exists. We're recording this in

the Super Bowl, which is coming up pretty soon. But anyhow, long story short,

I had friends around the world at the local airport and people in various ministry

and I was in almost everyone, the city was somehow involved in the Superbowl in

one form or another. And I became aware in a ministry context about the

enormous issue of human trafficking, basically, young girls and boys being

brought into, to our city from all over the world, to service, so to speak,

people who came with a Super Bowl, and he was like, the numbers that

came out were astonishing. And I was part of the groups that helped to

you know, to deal with that. I'm just saying that this is an I became aware

of kind of the economics about how the huge business it was, and how

what a pervasive problem was, that was kind of my aha moment. I've

involved with some of those aspects ever since with this area of life, and

I commend you for getting involved. But we kind of have to have that gut

wrenching moment, you know, saying, Oh, my God, you know, something's

gotta be done here. So that's why I'm gonna go with you right now for a few

minutes, Jan. It's one thing to have that gut wrenching moment, it's one thing

to have that, that that moment of transition yourself, it's another thing to

have a moment of transformation to do something about it, to take action

.

So you've said a little bit about it. But go a little further about some of the

actions that you took, you know, some of the specific actions you took to

respond to this gut wrenching aha moment that you had.

Sure, well, knowing that our kids were the target. You know, and there'll be you

gotta remember, this is nine years ago, nobody really talked about this. We

didn't have an art career and Epstein to fall back on it go that guy that's like

happening right here. Yeah. And I am, you know, I'm a sales professional by

trade. I grew up doing marketing and sales in management and leadership

in the cable industry for a super long time. So I'm kind of like a dog with a

bone when it comes to stuff. And I use great discernment. And so when

I have the experience of no like, No, this is what you're supposed to do.

Like, okay, this is what I'm doing. I am a dog with a bone. So I did market

research for about two years. Okay. And really,

you did your homework, let's look at your homework.

I went out to bid because I'm a true believer that the market will tell you

what it wants, okay. Doesn't really matter what above so

you applied your expertise to this problem. Okay,

absolutely, yeah, and I'm a, you know, Problem Solver by turret by nature,

and I'm a girl of action, I don't just sit around, I was very busy the past few

years, I didn't sit around watching Netflix and eat bonbons, you know. So I

am driven by action I am. And so I just took that and talk to as many people

as I could I went to as many networking events as I got. And I also got some

coaching. Because I knew, you know, as a trainer inside my organization,

because I was always starting something new inside our company.

So I always ended up training people on it. So you know, being in front of

people is one thing, but really being able to deliver a powerful message

succinctly where people move and take an action that takes training.

So I have done a lot of training, personal growth and development inside

an organization called Landmark Worldwide. And then I've also done a

lot of training inside of, you know, having personal coaches, I tell people,

because people are always amazed, like, oh, gosh, here this year, it's like,

no, I keep taking the right I just keep taking actions. And if the action doesn't

produce a result, I go get some coaching to the gap. And then I go take

another action. So it's like I tell people, my parents gave me a phenomenal

foundation, right? I've got education, understanding how to operate inside

an organization understanding how to operate inside a space, right?

And then I had some phenomenal years inside corporate America

and that training, development and all these kids that want to go start

businesses, unlike stop, go get OJT and get paid for it go have someone

train you how to be inside an organization before you think you can lead

one. Right? Unless you've come from a family of entrepreneurs and you're

raised in that environment. It's just different. Right? And then third piece,

God, God's my foundation, all right there, and then I got great training,

I am the product of great coaches and great training. So I apply it.

It's how your training was not just specifically on this issue of

trafficking, for instance, it was about communication. Here are

some business dynamics, some entrepreneurialship, and perhaps

even some spiritual training. It was all involved here. Is that right?

Absolutely. And then I took that, and then I, you know, would literally

go out and throw it up against the wall and test it.

You applied it, you

Went out, you know, I bought people lunch, and I showed my film

and I went through my training program. And at the end of it, I'm like,

Okay, tell me what to take out. Tell me what to put in. Tell me what

you did miss. You know, we we trained and educated, probably

150 people before I stood in front of my first child.

Wow. So that is awesome. But so therefore you not only you kind

of had your research and your development, but then you also had

you know, your go to market type of thing, if you will, or your preparation

going to market. And then you your your testing phase, if you will, and

then you You did so that is awesome. So I just wanted folks to understand

and learn that, yeah, your heart may be broken for something. But

sometimes we have to channel our emotional break breaking point

into action and application that can really make a difference here.

You know, sometimes if we just bleed all over the place ourselves.

It may be cathartic for ourselves. But it may not be as helpful to the problem, right?

You know, and what's interesting, too, is because I talked to everybody

in this space, you know, I talked to Florida Department of Law Enforcement,

I talked to Homeland Security, I talked to FBI, I talked to local law enforcement,

I talked to survivors, like I talked to a lot of people to see what was missing

in the market. Yes. And no one was doing prevention education for kids, no one at the time,

same study, that same study, because you know,

There were organizations that were recovering and working on the restoration,

and they were discovering they were having a hard time trying to raise funds

when people didn't understand what human trafficking was about. So they

would go out and speak to it and have survivors or your speak, you know,

to it and everything else. However, they you know, theirs was from a

particular point of view, or kids look at it from a different point of view.

And that's really, it's not really where my heart is, over time. Like, I'm just

good at it. And I'm clear, God gave me something. Like, I can't even tell

you what it was because I've had more people tell me, I understand why

kids relate to you. You're just relatable, you're easy to talk to. You're easy to

understand. You're succinct in your messaging and you're really listening

what's happening out there so you can speak to it. And that is an overtime

training phenomenon that a lot of people don't really grasp because you

got to go out and see what's missing. Back to the bleeding heart piece.

I promise I'm gonna bring this back around. Sure is you know, if your heart

is bleeding for orphans, go out and find out what's happening in the foster

care system in the foster parents system in the group and go out and talk to

people. And then my favorite question is always to ask what's missing the

presence of which would make a difference? What's missing? You know,

in the end, I kept hearing no one's it was awareness and prevention.

No one's aware that this is happening and no one's talking to

our kids about it. Yeah. Okay, I'll take that. That's,

That's in some ways, that's just pure marketing, isn't it? You know,

It is. It is. It's not it's really not rocket science. But it takes a lot of work.

Well, it also takes something that you've mentioned a couple times here.

Sure. Well, first of all, I'm on the front side of this. I'm in the prevention space,

right? In Yes, I hear heartbreaking stories, but we're catching it early. You

know, they haven't been in the life or they haven't been abused yet, for

dozens of two decades, and then coming out, right, I were on the front

end of this. So it's, quite frankly, the most rewarding thing I've ever done.

Sure, inside of that space, because God is my North Star, you know, and

I'm, I get very clear what I'm supposed to do, what I'm not supposed to

do, what my lane is and what my lanes not. And that also brings me

deep peace. You know, when people go, Well, Jan, how come you don't

go after the demand? I'm like, because that's not my role. Stop my job.

I'm clear what my job is. And anytime, Brett, anytime, because it is

frustrating, and it is heartbreaking. The past two years have been

horrific for us. Our kids have been more exposed to online predatory

behavior than ever before. And well, we should have been in schools,

kids were out of schools, and people were being barred from coming

into schools, right? We couldn't go in and talk to our kids, our kids were

in danger, or suicide rate was up, self harm was up. And we couldn't let

people in to talk. So it was a very frustrating two years for me. And there

were days when I'm like, Are you sure? Like do you really want me to, you

know, just like really. And I would within hours, some child would show

up in front of my face, whether they were sitting on my lap in a you know,

in an airplane that is not my kid, right? But kids gravitate towards me.

God's like, Nope, this is why he would always put a child in my face as a

reminder. It's like, No, you have a mission. I get you're frustrated. This is

your reminder. Why?

Yes. And every time-

That gives me clarity and peace. To answer your question gives me

clarity, because I know what I'm supposed to be doing.

Two things that are important here, what your that your spiritual walk

is helping you do. And that is the clarity piece, which you mentioned,

which is all about purpose. That's one of the things I love to teach

and you don't really have true purpose in life,

until you take some action about something that's bigger than yourself.

Yes. And then also the peace of mind that comes with that, you know,

one of the things that people are seeking more than anything else is

peace of mind or healing from brokenness or meaningless pneus and

the way to find that and I'm sure you had your successes and your

affirmations and your corporate world I know you were involved

various things you you still use some of that in what you're doing

now. But I'm thinking that that this has been a really good thing

for your peace of mind for your your own mental well being is that a fair thing?

Absolutely. Well, and I you know as we get older you know, we

find peace in things that we never thought that we would and my

daughter always used to say why is it that older people get so

much more religious? I'm like, Well, we have a little less time here

Cramming for finals some people say

I said you know, and and after you know, over time, the maturity

level you just realize that all the things that were important when

you were in your 20s and 30s and even 40s Quite frankly really don't

matter. You know, as long as you've got a roof over your head, food in

your refrigerator, clothes in your closet and the bed to sleep on some

you know a handful of solid good friends. You know it was watching

chosen. It's one of my favorite shows. It's awesome. Yes, I go there when

I need solace. And I think about that, yeah. They've dropped around all

over the place with nothing more than, you know, the stuff on their back

and a couple of wheelbarrows full of stuff and, and they were doing God's

work. Literally, I, you know, I kind of feel the same way. And I think when you

find that purpose of yours, and you'll know, you, you'll just know there's a

knowing that comes from having that connection with your higher power,

spirituality, it's God for me, yes. That, that you'll just have this knowing

of what you're supposed to do and the steps and you just keep taking

actions. And I truly believe that, when you continue to take actions

going in, in going in a direction you feel like you should be going

in at some point in time, that universe is going to match up with

you, God's gonna match up with you, you know, and I think about

David and Goliath, you know, he was slaying bears and lions

protecting his sheep, well, before he met Goliath, right.

And then the big problem you got to do is you got to deal with

those problems before you then go after the big problem. And

you have been called to tackle pretty daggone big problem

here. So that means you have to now to apply tactics, disciplines,

new ways of approaching things that perhaps in what you did

before in the corporate world, and things like that. So tell us a

bit about what are some of the disciplines or habits, processes

or things that either you do personally, or that you can do part

of what you teach others to do? What are some things that

people are talking about, you know, disciplines, things that

people can actually do?

So such a great question, you know, I used to sit on a lot of

boards when I was working for corporate America, and the

thing that I noticed is most 501, C threes don't really have

a business plan, okay? Or a plan, or, you know, it looked

doesn't have to be 150 pages, you can have three pages

isn't what I'm going to do first quarter, second quarter,

third quarter, fourth quarter, right. But really having a

strategic plan. It's it's important whether you make it or

not, but it's having that goal and going towards that

goal and knowing you're going to have to be flexible

to get there. Because there may be roadblocks, maybe

bridges out, there may be flash floods, there may be

fibers, there may be all kinds of things

that get there's always going to be something, whatever

it is part of the pandemic the last couple of years.

Yeah. And then the other piece, too, thatI bring with me in

this space, and I'm clear on the source of it. Right. And it's

not about taking credit, I just know what I bring to the table.

And, you know, that's really creating a space of collaboration.

Okay. And in business, we collaborate, it's what we do,

it's how we get things accomplished. And, and I think if

more 501 C threes really took that, as to I'm not gonna

steal your donors, I got my own, you got yours I, you know,

it's I'm not up for that, we're all kind of trying to move the

ball down the field together. Sure. So let's figure out how

best to do that. In my world, there's plenty of money, right?

There's lots of money available, you just gotta go find it. And,

having the discipline to really manage your your space. And what

you say that you're going to do, I've got one of my favorite sayings

here. I simply do what I say I'm going to do life will start to go how

I say it, Well, Your Honor, you go creating a calendar and honoring your word, right.

And that's a strategy right there, you know, make a plan and follow

the plan, you know, salutely Another way of putting it and I love that

and you have anyone who comes from the nonprofit space 501 C,

threes have worked on some of those, my my, my doctoral degree is

actually in transformational leadership, which is helping churches and

organizations to get better organized to do their mission. And so I see

that a lot where there's a lot of floundering, especially in the nonprofit

world, you kind of have, you know, you get that broken heart about what

the issue is, but how do you get there, and I think that's what you're applying

here. And also you mentioned collaboration, and that that emotional

connection, which I think has to be deep there. And we have to learn

from our mentors and then have all those also people that we mentor

and then also people are kind of on the same plane as us so to speak.

And we work with and and so what you're doing now is you are serving

other people through various ways about this issue about the online

exploitation of children and human trafficking. And you've uh, for

instance, you've created a film and some of the things that you have

done and so what I want to get go with you now is this kind of this

email original piece of serving other people through some practical

means Jan, so one of the ways that your organization, Paving

the Way Foundation is serving the needs of parents and others

as well. What what do we got here?

Yeah, so we developed a parent toolkit over two years ago.

I remember it was, you know, right, late March, early April, because I

started getting calls about kids going missing. And I'm like, Okay, I

gotta empower parents to start figuring out how to talk about this. So

we developed a parent toolkit that really kind of guides parents what

kind of questions they can engage in a really great conversation with

their kids. Because parents are our frontline fence. Now, not every home

has loving parents, not every child has someone we can talk to. But I

can empower as many as I can, right. And then we have monthly

parent tech talks. Every month, I interview someone from around

the country, about a particular topic, I just had a young lady on

last week, earlier this month, about Daxing, which is online

exploitation times 100. Because they start to go after some very

personal things, right. And so I try to because I understand the

brain enough that the brain likes facts and data in the brain also like stories.

Yes. So I try to give as much facts and enough data, and a couple of

interesting stories that something's going to stick. So the parent

can have a real simple conversation about like, hey, you know,

I was listening to this podcast, they were talking about human

trafficking and child trafficking. And like, Have you ever heard

of that? And just be quiet? Yeah. And they're gonna say what

they say? Yeah. And then you're gonna be like, Yeah, well, you know,

here's what I heard, which was, like, shocking to me is, you know, the

average age, these predators online start to groom children's between

10 and 13. Like, I was shocked, have you, you know, have any of your

friends shared anything about some strange person trying to connect

with them. And again, be quiet, quiet. And you listen, because mostly

Brad, or kids just want us, they just want to be with us. And they want

to know that we love them. And we are proud of them. And we support

them all they want. And the past two years have been real challenging for

them, they've gone straight to their phones. And that's in predators now

that they've gone after him in fast,

That's the most place for getting their support, but also most

vulnerable to these kind of situations.

So you know, it's, it's, it's a challenging topic, but we've given you

enough data and tools that you can watch the videos with your kids,

you know, will do the heavy lifting for you. And I encourage

parents to watch the movie called Social Dilemma with their kids, it's on

Netflix, because you'll walk away going wow, I'm, I'm just really number

two these people, right? I don't matter. I'm not anything. Yeah. platform

where I can connect, but people

will exploit them just a whole different agenda than people have about your film,

trapped, film or trapped in a trade. Sure, it's a short films about 28 minutes,

and it shows the intentional grooming and recruitment of children by children.

And that is how it happens a lot of times, and we use it as our basis for all our

training, because it does the heavy lifting for us. And we engage in really great

conversations following the film about bystanders and bystanders syndrome

and what actions kind of, you know, could you take inside that environment?

And more importantly, you know, what would what action would you actually

take? If you saw someone, you know, being bullied? If you saw someone, you

know, being enticed to take drugs? If you saw someone who was drugged at a

party or a bar, like what would you do, and I'm a huge fan of the Socratic

Method of Education, so I got to ask great questions. And let them do

the thinking. And they come up with some great answers. Let me tell ya,

well, that, that that's awesome. And what the film you mentioned and

other resources that you have garnered, helps get those conversations

started maybe a tool, you know, because a lot of times I think parents

and their kids, you know, they have kind of a rhythm and a routine of life.

And sometimes there's not a lot of direct communication going on about

the very important things like this. You know, they may be talking about

you know, the ballgame at school or whatever, but maybe not this. And

maybe this can be the kind of thing that starts things but also I think you

give a very good the training piece you given I've actually how a

conversation might go and training people about those points to shut

up and listen, you know, I think that's so, so important. And so what kind

of what kind of resources general folks going to find on your website?

Let's just say you're a parent, or a grandparent, or a teacher or some

other person and mentor, mentor in relation to young people. And

you know, what kinds of things are gonna find your website that's

going to guide them directly? What kind of other resources do you

have to offer folks?

Sure. So we, you know, we have signs of human trafficking there

that they can download, we have the parent toolkit that they

can download. And they have a really great flyer called Teen

Tech Talk. And it's a flyer of a lot of the apps that these predators

use, and we talk about the recruitment and grooming tactics that

they use. And probably the two biggest ones that I want parents to

be aware of, is these predators will coach your children on what to

say to you? Yes, they will. And they'll say something like, they're smart.

And they're gonna say that I knew, they told me, my boyfriend told me

we're going to say that, right. And so having a no phone in the bedroom

policy really works. Everybody have a, you know, you walk in the door,

everybody puts a phone in the basket, and we talk for 30 minutes or

40 minutes, it's, you know, connecting with our kids, and they're gonna

fuss about it, and just got it, you know, put your big boy and big girl

panties up and deal with the short term storm, that over time will

make a difference for your relationship with you and your kids.

Because that it has to do with actually interacting as people, man,

which is phenomenal thing, because so many people just spend

their world just with their nose down to their phone or their iPad or something.

It's easy. It's easy. And they you know, I invite all of your listeners

to go out to dinner or go out to lunch one day and leave your

phone on the car. Oh, yeah, look at the world, right? Go be out in

the world and talk to people. It's amazing.

When you have dinner with people or whatever, I used to have this

role when my kids are adults now. But you know, bad you gotta leave

your phone in your pocket or leave it at home or whatever, and hard

to do hard to enforce head but makes a big, a big, big difference. And

you find all of that at paving the way foundation.org And, and the website

for the film is trapped film.com and some great resource. Is there. Any

closing words that you might give Jan to that parent who's just kind

of scared right now? You know, they've seen some things in the media,

you know, there has been some things, prominent things in the media

the last couple of years, especially about things that are happening,

people vulnerable. What kind of encouragement or words of

enlightenment can you give to some parents who are just scared?

You know, it's gonna take courage. It isn't an easy conversation.

But I want to say, you're more than capable. You're the parent.

Right? You're highly capable of asking a question or sharing a fact.

And then just listening. And the thing that I train our kids and our

parents with, I said, shouldn't you know, something happened, and

you need to talk to your parent about this. They said, You gotta

get your parents are gonna have a reaction. And it's not about you.

Someone's trying to harm their child. They're gonna have a reaction.

You gotta give them space and grace to be human. Yeah. And for

the parents, I said, you know, if you start this conversation, it will

not surprise me. It might surprise you that out of the blue one day

and you're driving home, or you're making dinner or you know, sitting

in the living room, reading together, that they look up and say, Hey, Mom,

remember that conversation we had a couple of months ago? Yeah. I

need to talk to you about something. Well, it's very pivotal moment.

Yep. Great. And he's gonna take a deep breath and listen, and they're

gonna say, you know, I actually sent a picture of somebody I shouldn't

have. Yeah, and I'm really scared, and I don't know what to do. Right.

Your response in that next three seconds is everything, Brad, and

it's super simple. It's okay, honey. I didn't know. I'm here. We'll

get it taken care of.

And you got to do with it for that moment. All right. Obviously,

judgment and condemnation are not gonna do any good at that point.

No, pick up the phone and call the police and, and they'll take it

from there. But it's just knowing for the per child to know their

parents got their back. It's everything.

Yes. Well, let me reflect with you one more thing that I want to just wish

you well, and what you're working on here, and I know you've spoken well to

our Beyond Adversity audience here today, Jan. And that is part of what I do

is that I'm a part time pastor of an inner city church, and we do have a ongoing

ministry to homeless folks, particularly homeless women. And we have a

homeless women's shelter right across We from our church and we do some

things with folks all the time. And what I've noticed is kind of the other

end of what you're talking about here. That helps so many women who

have Purdue I'm talking about particular women as gays who have been

victimized by some form of abuse, and oftentimes it is online and other

ways as well. And the recovery and the re-process is so intense and

complicated and convoluted in many ways. It is really, really, really

challenging. Just yesterday, I had a conversation with a young

woman, 26 years old was describing some of what we're talking

about here today that went on in her life, toxic relationships and

so on. And it's heartbreaking in that it wouldn't be great if we could

just greatly impact the need for services on the other side of people

being damaged by prevention and so on. So I just want to thank you

for what you're doing awesome stuff. And for the again, the

organization is Paving the Way foundation. Her name is Jan Edwards, and

she's leading the way in preventing child sex trafficking. We thank you for

being our guest today on the Beyond Adversity podcast with Dr.

Brad Miller. Thank you very much