191: How To Find Purpose In Your Pain By Being Willing To Share Your Story With Christine Handy

Christine Handy: our guest here today, she had her

share of challenges in her life. She has also had

her share of upsides in her life. And she's tells her

story in her upcoming in our book that it's out now

called Walk Beside Me. I'm gonna let her

unpack restore. But we are certainly glad to have

with us on Beyond adversity today. Christine Handy.

Christine, welcome to Beyond Adversity.

Thank you, I've definitely had my share.

Awesome. Well, that's something awesome that you've

had your share of challenges. But even more awesome

that you found your way through those things.

And so let's just get into this a little bit here, Christine.

It seemed like you had your life cruising along pretty

good in in your life, when some dark times happened.

And let's just go, Let's just hear your story or bad about you. Okay.

Yeah, so I thought I was having, I thought my life was

cruising along very well. But there was a part of me

from, you know, mid 20s, where I thought there's

something missing. And so when I started to have

my first health challenge, which was a colon resection

when I was 35. And that colon resection is a major surgery.

But what happened during the surgery was, the doctor

nicked a vein in my pelvis. And because I was a model,

and because I had made it kind of a big deal to him to

be very careful with the scars and the surgery, he was

a bit timid when He nicked a vein in my pelvis to open

me up even wider, because of scar issues. Ultimately,

he had to open me from hip to hip because the bleeding

was out of control. And when I woke up from that surgery,

I had a port in my neck and I had been on my second

blood transfusion. So that was kind of my first brush with

death, so to speak. And along recovery. Now, I I started

modeling when I was very young. And that was a very

glamorous and very external accolade life. But what I

was missing, the parts of my childhood that were missing

were the were the parts where I was learning how to

develop the inside self esteem self or self love, you know,

dependence on faith, spirituality versus materialism,

external looks, those types of things, and I missed that

whole chapter of my life. So fast forward to 35, I have a

colon resection, you know, I start to go Wait, what's missing

here because this feels really bad. You know, and then by 41,

I had a torn ligament, my right wrist, which again is surgery,

but not that big of a deal. And I woke up from that surgery

and things seemed to be fine. And about six weeks later,

when the cast came off, I had so such severe swelling and

grotesque pain that I call my doctor and said, There's something

really wrong here. For several months after that call, he

bullied me emotionally bullied me and told me that the pain

and swelling that was I was experiences was really going on

just in my head, like there was a misfire between my brain

and my limb. In this case, it was my right arm. And ultimately,

I found enough courage after being bullied for months to go

see another physician for a second opinion. And within hours,

I was in emergency surgery because what I did have the

whole time with an infection called osteomyelitis in my

bones in my wrist. And by the time the doctor went in, all

the bones in my wrist were destroyed. And ultimately, my

arm was fused. And six weeks after my arm was fused, I

was diagnosed with a aggressive form of breast cancer.

So I had like the trifecta health crazy, one thing after

another with, you know, severe consequences. And so

that's kind of a little bit about the trauma.

And, and just to set the framework just a little

bit, you'd had some some pretty good success

in the modeling world in some other areas of that

before all these health related issues came crashing

down on you. You had a really you're in a pretty good

place. Is that correct?

Oh, yeah. I mean, I was married. I had two young

kids, you know, I think to the world, my life looked

perfect, right? I was beautiful and successful. And I

modeled all over the world. And, and I've been modeling,

I'm still a model. I'm actually walking in New York Fashion

Week in the spring. But my I was a working model. You

know, I was in the catalog, JC Penney, Neiman's. Dillards,

I was a catalog girl. And that was my bread and butter,

and I did very well. And so, you know, the idea of a scar

was very frightening to me. Little did I know that that

was the least of my worries was a scar.

But you're literally what your physical scar was

very frightening to you. You're scared?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah,

yeah. Yeah.

That was a part of your livelihood, you know, was

your physical parents, right? So

not just my livelihood, but it was my, my whole

dependence on my exterior was

your identity was there?

Yeah, that was my lifeline.

Yeah. Okay. So, so you've had all these health challenges

then and I have to assume that had some impact in

your personal life and business? All kinds of things.

I would imagine that that it did. And a lot of people,

you know, Christine, when they have bad things

happen to them health related relationship issue,

financial reversal, whatever it is, they get stuck,

you know, they are they go into a downward

downward spiral. And that's a problem.

Yes,

you're here today, because you may have been in

that dark place for a while, but you didn't stay there.

Yeah, what were some of the steps that you took out

of that place? You know, you mentioned being bullied.

You mentioned health issues, you mentioned some

inclination towards a kind of a dark place depression.

And so one, what are some of the steps that you took,

so in actions that you took to start to break out of that spiral?

Well, when I had some quiet time, which was a fair amount

during chemotherapy, because although you have a lot of

people around you, hopefully, you know, there's a lot of

moments where you're sick, and the bathroom or you

know, in bed sleeping, or resting or trying to sleep,

where, for me, it was a time of introspection, I took

a I took a look at my life for the past 40 years

that I just lived in. I was like, Why is this not

working? And so I spent that time while sick,

trying to figure out how to live a life that was

different, and where did I mess it up. And the

thing that really resonated with me was like,

I my self esteem was not good, it was destroyed.

And, and I'm not blaming anybody or any industry

on it, it was my responsibility to nurture my self

esteem. But once I was able to start nurturing

my self esteem during this time, right, and

during this transition, then I started to make

different choices about my life. I started making

different choices about who I was surrounding

myself with, what I was listening. Like, listen,

when I was, you know, 30, and modeling, and

had all these amazing friends and the success

and these young kids and, and beauty and all

these things, when my friends would ask me,

Do you want to go to Bible study? I would say

no, I don't have time, I need to go to a yoga

class. So my focus was not on faith, my focus

was on external things, right? External accolades,

materialism, working out, trying to keep my body

fit. And but it was all it wasn't for anything other

than myself, right? I mean, for my job, or for it was

self serving. And so when I was going through

chemotherapy, I was I thought to myself, this isn't

working. The self serving isn't working, and it's not

filling me up, it doesn't feel whole. And so when I

started to serve, and I started to lead by example,

meaning I started to show up for myself. And then

what that showed was my family and my friends,

like she's got courage. She's got courage under fire,

and what does this look like. And so I started to

lead in a way that was serving others, but also

serving myself. And so I developed a better self

esteem, I started to make better decisions for

myself, I didn't allow people to talk, like a bully,

I didn't allow a bully anymore in my life. And

because of those, because of those past mistakes,

I was able to not get into the mode of paralysis

where I was stuck, I went into an opposite one

totally 180 and decided I'm going to change this,

I'm gonna change this cycle. But that takes a lot

of courage, right, and a lot of introspection.

And so while I was doing that, and while I was

nurturing my self-esteem, I was able to kind of

get myself out of those old habits. And that's

how I got myself out of it. And ever since I

was, well, I took my story. And I decided to

write a book and I decided to teach people

you know, kind of from my mistakes, what

not to do, don't depend on the external

accolades, don't depend on materialism.

That's fleeting, that's building your life on

sand. We need a better platform, I needed

to build my life on concrete, which for me, is faith and God.

Yeah. Well, let's go there in just a second

here, but just want to clarify some things I

heard from you, Christine, it helped me

a farm or, or not, but I'm hearing you said

some of the actions that you took, were

going inward to really reflect on what was

happening to you. Because before you were

just kind of so busy and so focused on the

surface level, you had to go inward, you

chose to write, you chose to break old

habits and start new habits and you

chose to teach others. And then you

also part of that teaching was to serve

others. Is that accurate? And what I'm

hearing you say some of the actions that you took.

yeah, so I just started to walk through life differently.

I started to try to figure out a way that I could inspire

and help lead other people. And for that, I love to write

I never been a writer before, but I thought okay, I'll start

this new craft. Actually, right now I go to Harvard, I'm

getting my master's degree in writing. And so I wanted

to take that even a step further and get better at it.

So wrote the book. And I always said to you know,

as far as like my faith, I would say, Okay, God,

if you want this book out, get it out. Like it's your

purpose. It's your will not mine. And so I decided

that it wasn't in my control so much anymore. It

was in God's control. And so I was just a facilitator.

And if it was going to be successful if it was going

to help other people, that's what you know he was

going to do. And so I started to write, and I started

to just choose differently, I started to talk to myself

better. I started to change who I was surrounding

myself with, you know, relationally. And I just started

choose, you know, what I looked at, what I listened to,

yes.

And then, and then everything in my life change.

I wasn't so dependent on the bags and the

materialism, I wasn't so dependent on the

external accolades, which is really hard in a

day like today where we're dependent on

social media. And so I think my message

message is so important, because so many

people look at social media, and they go,

Oh, well, the her life's perfect, or her life is

better than mine. And there's this whole world

of comparison. Yes. And I and I'm out and I'm

out there screaming from the rooftops. Like,

that's not how you live your life. You can't tell

what's going on inside of somebody, everybody's

got a story. And there's no way that I mean, people

wouldn't look at me and say, Oh, that girl has been

through 28 rounds of chemo 23 non elective surgery,

that girl is not in chronic pain. And I am.

Yes,

So we can't judge and compare?

Well, you, you've touched on some really

important things here. And what you're

talking about is kind of the, the Connect, or

the disconnect between the physical and

the spiritual and the in the inner life. In as

much as a true life transformation takes

place. Not only on the exterior, you know,

but also on the inner life and choosing to

make a connection there. And you've mentioned

your faith journey, a little bit here already.

And I'm a big believer that to have true transformation,

you got to have the outward thing, which is kind of

the physical, taking the action, that kind of stuff.

But you have to connect with a higher power.

And tell us a bit about your background that way,

if you had any faith background, and then what,

when you did make some choices here to go.

You know, you mentioned to people via your

Bible studies, things like this, what were some

of the ways that you did connect to to a faith

journey for something greater than self greater

than surface, that were part of your

transformation process, your faith story here?

Well, and also greater than this world, what

this world could offer. So I started to me, I

was raised Catholic, so I always believed in

God. But I believed in myself more I believe

that I was in control more than God, because

I hadn't really learned faith from another

perspective other than Catholicism, which

by the way, for me inflicted a lot of shame.

And so I kind of left Catholicism, and when

I was in my 30s, and my friends who were

Christians would invite me into that, you know,

Catholicism is Christianity, but it's, you know,

theirs was a little bit different. And so when

they invited me into that, I was a little bit

hesitant, because I thought, I've got this,

I've got a career, I've got a family, I've got a

life. I've got, you know, resources. I'm good.

And what I was more comfortable laying on

my yoga mat trying to center myself then

going than speaking to God, like in a prayer way.

Well, when everything unraveled, right, when

everything was stripped away, including my

beauty, everything that I was dependent on

everything that I thought I had control over

when that when I was that completely taken

away, like stripped completely away. I was

like what's left, right? If I was like, There's no way

I'm in control here. And so I was led to a higher

power. And I had a choice, right? I could have

gone right back to materialism, I could have

gone right back to the false idols. But I was like,

that didn't work for me. And so I chose differently.

And it's been profoundly like, the profoundly

different my life. I'm in chronic pain, I'm in

constant pain. But I, I felt great happiness in my

life before cancer, but I feel joy now. Because

the act of serving the act of giving, that's joy,

right? That brings me joy.

Well, that's awesome. That also indicates

how this transformation took place whereby

the choices that you made, to connect to

God to faith to a higher power, and to choose

these different approaches to it to maybe what

you grew up with, or where you are so centered

on self, you know, on yourself, value and you

were looking for some ways to enhance that

yoga, nothing wrong with yoga. But you

understand, there the whole meditation

thing is part the only goes so far, in my

belief, you have to have the meditation

which has to lead us to the Holy Spirit in

our life, which can fulfill us ultimately.

And so that's awesome. Thank you for

sharing and that takes some courage to to

share that especially coming out of a

background that's kind of centered on

something different than that.

Right

Let's talk for medic, Christine about how

these new habits these new, I'm going to

talk to you about the change of mind. And

what implement here is habits, disciplines

of patterns of life that you may have done,

you know, some people talk about journaling,

for instance, are a whole different ways of

approaching things. What changed for you?

And what how were these kind of new cognitive

patterns imprinted upon you. Now compared

to where you're at now, what are some of your

habits that you have now?

Well, I think so much of it, the choices that

I make, and the habits that I have are

dependent on my self esteem. So when I

had a very low self esteem, and I had built

my life on sand. The choices that I made

were to impress people, because I needed

those accolades, right. And so my choice

would be to maybe go out to lunch and

have my friends tell me how pretty I am

and get dressed up versus now, where I'd

rather be interviewed, I'd rather be on social

media talking about my story to help other

people, I'd rather go to school and study at

Harvard than go out to a gala or a function,

I'd rather model with a flat concave chest

because I had breast cancer, then model

with, you know, the chest and the beauty that

I had before, because now it's a story. Now

I'm trying to help the people that have concave

chest or flat chest and say to them, this is just

as beautiful. It's just different. But that stems

from a solid self esteem, right? My self esteem

is rooted in faith, it's not rooted in this world.

And so the choices that I make are completely

different. I mean, I've had to had, I've had to,

sadly, release a lot of relationships, because

those relationships that I was dependent on,

a lot of them were, were feeding that low self

esteem, right? We cover ourselves with people,

many times that where, if we're feeling bad

about ourselves, the people around us are

making us feel bad. But it was a choice for me

to get myself out of that.

Yeah.

I can't blame it on them.

Of course, of course. But there are such things

as helpful and unhelpful relationships. And there

are even toxic relationships. And there are even

seasons of relationships, you know, where

it's good for our season, but something new

comes into your life. And so let's go there from it.

And this is the emotional part, I believe kind of

what the teaching I do have regarding transformation

means that you got to have a spiritual element,

you got to have a physical element, you got to

have a cognitive mental element, but you also

have to have an emotional element, which most

often connects to, or relates to other people in

your life. So you mentioned how you had to

let some people kind of go in your life. And

you mentioned kind of a bad relationship

with the doctor. That was a part of the bullying.

And that's, I believe, that's if we get a little deeper

in that that's probably some sort of a story there

with other bullying type episodes, perhaps.

But let's talk about the power of relationships,

for healing and for wholeness and for

transformation, who came to who came alongside

you? Or perhaps what who were mentors in your

life? Or maybe what were some influences that

helped you in this emotional part of this journey.

And then we're talking a little bit about how that

got accepted that I met. But let's go there for a second.

So it's interesting that you asked that because

those same people that were asking me to go

to Bible studies, they're the ones that showed

up, when I was diagnosed with cancer, there's,

they're the ones that made this calendar of

people to show up at my house every single

day. Because I was paralyzed for about

the first month when I had cancer, I had

just come off with come off of this terrible

situation that happened to my arm, and

then I was diagnosed with cancer. And I

was like, I quit. My life is not worth living.

I'm it's over. And so they came and they

surrounded me every day with love and

compassion and faith. And they listened

to me, they listened to the darkness. And

they used to, they used to tell me, they

used to say, this mountain of women,

they used to say, not only will we never

forsake you, God will never forsake you.

And there will be purpose in the story.

And after a while, I started to believe them.

And they kept showing up. And I used to say to

them, Why would you show up for me? I can't

offer you anything. Because right, I used to

live in this transactional world.

Yes.

And, and they would say to me, we're not

looking for anything. We're just being the

hands and the feet of God. And I used to say,

well, this is another season of pain. This is the

third season of pain, and that didn't bother them.

And so I saw them show up. And I and they they

modeled for me what I was ultimately going to do,

right? So they were my teachers. And it wasn't

anything of it didn't take anything from their

life for them to serve me to use their resources

to help me and my family. And I was watching

this going, wow. Like I've lived this life of self

involvement and that was not fulfilling and

now these women are giving up so much of

themselves and it's fulfilling. I just needed a

different, you know, perspective and They

taught me that. And so had my friends not

shown up for me that way, I'm not sure that

I would have completely changed. I, they were

definitely the leaders of the pack. And so but

then they said to me, when your journey is done,

then you will do this for other people. And I took

that job very seriously.

Yes. And we're gonna get into that just a second.

But I just want to key on one key phrase that you said

there, Christine, I think it's so important, that is

fulfilling, fulfilling that, prior to this, that what the

story you painted for us was, it was less than fulfilling.

And now with your friends, and with your faith, and

the actions that you took, you had much more fulfillment

in life and, or a meaningfulness. And I just don't

believe that we live a time where

meaninglessness is toxic, and is,

you know, you know, a pandemic

of its own right, we've dealt with

the physical pandemic of COVID,

we have a pandemic, of people with

depression, and all kinds of things,

which has made it less less. And that's

why some of what you share, you share

from this perspective, you know, you come into

the modeling background, and some

success and so on. And now

you're sharing your story to others,

because others have surrounded you.

So let's talk about that for a minute.

You've written a book called walk

beside me. And I love that title, by

the way, because it kind of tells

me little bit about those friends that

you had and your faith and that kind

of thing, even even in even in the title,

who do write this book for? And what's it all about?

I think the originally the reason I wrote it

was to show female relationships, the

unity of female relationships, and how

powerful how life saving those could

be. It was almost like a love letter to

my friend saying, you know, thank you,

and let's teach other people. But there's

so many other things that came out of

that book, because I was so vulnerable

and sharing my story, that people felt like

they weren't so alone in their pain. And a

lot of people read my book and said,

Wow, if she can get through that I can

get through what I'm going through.

And so it's had a grand effect in many

other ways. But I think that's originally

the reason I wrote it.

And when people pick up this book,

what are they going to find? What

are they going to learn? Because I think

there's, you know, obviously, a lot of

parallels to your life. But what are they

going to learn that maybe apply to their life?

Well, I think it's an important story because

of the transformation, right? You see, this

person that looked like to the world had a very

successful life, but really was so empty. And then

you see all this pain and all this trauma. And

you see how she reacted and how she changed.

And so I think all of us, there's nobody that will

not have trauma, right? We're not immune to

trauma. And so I think it's an important message

that people can look at and go, Okay, well,

after the trauma, after the chronic pain

after the diagnosis, there's hope. And

what does that look like, right? And so

it's, it's a narrative, it's a fictional story

of my life, but it's the good and the bad,

and the ugly. And so it's not a story like

social media, we're just paying it's one

picture of oh, look at all my friends,

they showed up and look at how

beautiful life is. It's no these, this is

what happened on the darkest days.

This is how I got through it. And this is

what it looks like on the other side. And it's messy.

Yes. And it's a process, it's, it's not an

instantaneous thing. You know, it's not

a, you know, there's no magic thing here.

It's not like, you know, putting on makeup

or putting on a new outfit or anything,

where it's just surface kind of thing. It's a

process and you met, you know, the

healing process, the physical healing process,

when you have massive surgery and things

like that. You just don't get over it overnight.

It's a process and, and so let's talk about

that process here for a second in terms of

the influence that you've had on people you

mentioned here, Christine, about how, you

know, things were cruising along, then you

had these massive health issues, and low

self esteem and so on, and the the things

that you did to break out of that and you're

fronted by friends, and your faith and so on.

And that's awesome. Now you've written

this book, and you've got some other things

on your website, christinehandy.com, which

people are going to find helpful. But I'm

interested right now, Christine, if how you

how you're teaching you you've mentioned

being sharing your story and serving others,

how your story has influenced other people,

you know us many people come around you

tell us a story or some sort of a testimonial

about either through your book or through

your teaching or through maybe just

someone you've had some influence

on that you've seen someone who's

kind of ahead of their own aha moment,

their own moment just her life. Tell us about that.

But I have many, but I do like this one in particular.

So I speak in the prison system in the state of

Florida, which is where I live. And ironically, I

was only hired to speak in male prisons, which

I thought originally when I was speaking to

male prisons, what what could I possibly bring

to the table? And so my message is a story of

hope. And so I would speak at this one particular

prison, and there was probably 800 inmates. that

would come listen to me. I did it like three times at

this particular one. And you know they can prisoners

can email you if you allow them through this app.

And so this one particular prisoner would email

me and he, he just took a liking to my story.

And he was on his own faith journey. And he

was getting out of prison after he had seen me.

And so when he got out of prison, he reached

out to me on social media, and he said, would

you meet me at this pizza place? I have this

idea that we could collaborate on doing

something together. And I was like, Sure,

no problem. So I had a lot of people who I said,

I'm going to meet this person or at this pizza place.

And they said, Don't do that. That's dangerous, or

whatever, right? Like, that's the worldview of

sure

somebody coming out of prison.

And I was like, That's ridiculous. Like,

are we supposed to forgive? And aren't

we supposed to be accepting and why are

we judging and all these other things.

So men might meet with this gentleman,

and I got there and he was dressed in

a suit. And he had a briefcase. And he

opened up his briefcase. And he had all

these ideas. He had all journaled all these

ideas about starting a nonprofit in the town,

city of Palm Beach County, and how to

change the rate of recidivism. And he

had an idea. And he said, I think you can

help me do this. And so fast forward three

years, we have a thriving, functioning nonprofit

with 12 board members. And we are literally

changing the focus of, you know, men who are

getting out of prison system in Palm Beach County,

and we are changing the landscape of recidivism.

Well, that isn't, that's awesome, because that

just share tells us that this has even now your

journey hasn't been just for you, either. It's

been for others. That's why you've written

the book, you have this nonprofit that you've

mentioned here that you're writing with, and

you've got, you're working on a film that

we're of your life that'll come out whenever

it comes out. But just some cool things

happening with you and, and that's an

awesome, awesome thing. But the journey

doesn't stop does it? It's an ongoing process.

It doesn't stop, especially when you know,

when you're faced with trauma. And listen,

now all this sounds really easy and fine. It's

not, like you said, it's a process and it takes

a lot of time to change your to change your

focus, right, which mine was different before

takes a lot of time, a lot of patience and a lot

of difficult choices. It's worth it. But you again,

you you lose like certain people in your life.

But it's also it's, you end up trying to figure

out your own life. And it takes a lot of time,

and you end up being alone in that space

for a long time. And so for me, it was, you

know, you don't faith based journeys are

not always the easiest choice, wright? You

know, because what the world tells us is just

go by this or just go watch this or just go to

this or if you get this many likes, or this many

comments on social media, everything will be

. But I only knew I knew that wasn't the case.

There's no easy button is or that like they had

one commercial use to be there's no being easy.

Yeah, well, and working on your self esteem is hard.

And I still work on mine every day. And it's a process.

And self talk is hard. Because we have to really

stop and take our thoughts captive and go,

did I just say that about myself? Um, but

you have to know that in order to stop them.

Yeah. And no one is big, big part of it. and

I are the audience of beyond adversity as

folks who have had their challenges in life.

And but they want to get better. They want

to break out they want to do something

different about it. They don't want to stay

stuck, or in that downward spiral. Let's just

say you're talking to a woman right now.

And who's listening to our voices? who

just needs a little bit of encouragement

or needs a little different direction?

What can they learn from, from Christine?

Or maybe from the resources you have in your

website? Or from your book? What kind of

things can they learn from you that be helpful

to them if they're in their own dark place?

Well, I like to say this a lot, because it is true,

but there is no u haul behind the hearse.

And so if you're focused on the things

and you think that's going to bring value

to your life, I would get rid of those that

thought and that mentality and that focus.

Um, you know, I still feel paralyzed in some

ways. Some days I do get anxious about

getting cancer back and that exists in my

life. But when I have those thoughts, or

when I have those fears, or I go back into

that anxiety, I literally stop myself and

say, let go and let God and again, it's

not a simple equation, but the more

you do it, the more habit based it

becomes. And so you're like, I'm not

saying that my wife doesn't have adversity.

It does and has a lot of traumas still have

chronic pain. But my focus is as long as it

remains on Scripture based things over

long as I'm pouring into serving other

, and teaching and leading, then I'm

good with myself. And I can sleep easier

at night and anxiety. It's not that goes

go away completely, but it's lessons.

So what the what does that person go

to find at at your website or how's

the best way that person can find out

more about you?

Well, my website offers a lot of interviews

and motivational speeches that I've done,

that are just teaching people, you know,

kind of what I've learned and how I've done it.

And hopefully, they can take some value

ads from that. I, you know, I don't like

push my book on anyone because some

people don't like to read and they get it

better from audio stuff. So you know, just

doing what you're doing is incredible,

because you're offering up stories of

people who have real life issues and

trauma and, and that makes somebody

not feel so alone in their own difficulties.

Well, that's, that's awesome for you to

share that and I want to share them

that your your website is christinehandy.com

C,H, R, I, S, T, I, N E, H, A, N, D, Y.com. Lots of

great resources there that you provide. And,

and you got a great story to tell and needs to

be told it needs to be, it needs to be told. And

I'll just say that this struck me just today, when

I was looking through some my own social

media, Facebook and that type of thing, a

person that I know was dealing with a family

member, a young woman who was dealing

with depression, and considering ending

her life, and this was kind of a cry for help

from a parent in this type of thing. I don't

know the whole story, but I would not be

surprised at all if there was, you know,

social media and Instagram and all kinds

of stuff involved with that. And

yeah

we just need perspective. You

know, you got to have perspective

that and occasionally to get perspective,

we have to be brought down a notch

or two in order to build ourselves up

and let your story and appreciate your story.

Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you.

Yes. Our guest today on Beyond Adversity

with Dr. Brad Miller: has been the author

of Walk Beside Me, Christine Handy.

Thank you for being our guest today on

Beyond adversity.