159. The Power of a P.L.A.N. in The Face of Adversity with Michael K. Jackson

Hello, good people. And welcome to the beyond ad

versity podcast with Dr. Brad Miller. Here we help people to

navigate adverse life conditions and to emerge to a life of

peace, prosperity, and purpose. We like to talk to people who

have a great story to tell and have something to offer to

people who have had adverse conditions in their life, and

have a plan or a means or process to help you get through

that. That's our case for the day Michael K. Jackson is with

us. He blogs at Michael K. Jackson calm and he comes to us

with a wealth of experience. And his story to tell is a Caribbean

American. He comes from that background, but he is from a

business background. He approaches things as a master

trainer and author and an expert in emotional resilience and well

being strategy. He is here to help us to be inspired and

empowered and equipped to build back stronger. He is the author

of speaking my truth 50 real stories that inspire, empower,

heal and transform, and where he introduces people to his plan.

Plan. And he's going to speak to us about that here today, which

is a resilience building blueprint, we Welcome to Beyond

adversity, Michael K. Jackson. That's Brad Miller, thank you so

much for having me on the podcast. Sir. I look forward to

our conversation. I have been really looking forward to this

to this for for some time, Michael, you have a great story

to tell. And your message of helping people build back better

help people build back stronger, I should should say, really

resonates with our audience, which is helping people to

navigate adversity, and to come to a place of peace of mind. But

this comes to us because you have had your own experiences of

adversity of some devastation even which has kind of led you

to your place in life of being helpful to others. And if you

don't mind, let's just tell your story a little bit about what

got you this point. What are some of the things that you have

had to overcome to now be at a place of being an author and a

leader and a teacher and a master person? And he emotional

resilience? Tell us your story? All right, well, well,

my store really, I reached an inflection

mentioned at the top, I'm a Caribbean American I was

actually born in an Eastern Caribbean island called Antigua

and raised in St. Thomas, United States Virgin Islands. And back

fact, the US Virgin Islands was hit by two back to back category

five storms. First was Irma on September 6. And then the second

came exactly two weeks later with Hurricane Maria on

September 20th. At the time, the first hurricane hit it week, a

lot of havoc droid, a much of my island of St. Thomas. And a lot

of the island communications lines went God I lost contact

with my dad who was still on the island. And Brad I tell you

during that time, praying for the best hoping for the best.

And not knowing or hearing anything, praying that I didn't

get, you know, one of those phone calls that you that you

get during these times. And actually the the phone call that

I did receive eventually was a voicemail from my dad saying to

me, Mike, I'm alright i'm i'm a little better better than Bruce.

But I'm all right. And all during a time of, of, you know,

after the first hurricane hit, we were trying to see about how

we can get him off the island. But unfortunately, because of

construction airport was closed to you know, commercial traffic

eventually is open to to for military aid and so forth,

humanitarian aid and so forth. You know, neighboring islands,

like Puerto Rico and the British Virgin Islands. You know,

airports were closed as well so we could not get him off but I

was so thankful to get that phone call from him. I quickly

returned to call, you know, and and it was such a relief to hear

his voice spread. Unfortunately, three days later that got that

voice message and spoke to him on that Saturday, on September

20. The afternoon, September 20 is when I got it

fateful phone call from a childhood buddy of mine that I

grew up with on St. Thomas, letting me know that my dad was

gone. Wow, my dad was gone. We lost them in the midst of the

hurricane. And this was devastating to say the least

bred to myself and my family. And that was an inflection point

in my life that caused me to, you know, do a lot of

reflecting, which caused me to create this plan, resilience

building framework that I'm sure we'll get into to where now I

am, you know, on a mission to, as I say, inspire, empower and

equip purpose driven leaders to bounce back from setbacks. And

what about stronger from stress and adversity?

Death is one of those. When you say gone, I'm so

you mean he was deceased? deceased? Yes. Fortunately,

Hurricane hurricane took him floodwaters. Wow. One of the

major points, pivotal points, defining moments for all of us

often is death of a loved one, or sometimes our own mortality,

or having a devastating disease or something like that. But it

really helps us to really define what's truly important and what

is how temporary life is, and how we've got some opportunities

to do something now about it if we choose to. And first of all

this, let me say I'm so sorry for your loss. I just so sorry,

for your loss, how, how devastating that is, I lost my

own father a few years ago and to to cancer, and it was just

devastating in and of itself. I will say just kind of as a side

note, I was on in the Virgin Islands on vacation, oh, man

back four years ago, three or four years ago, not too long

after the hurricane, but I just remember entering the island,

that there were still major impact, you know, of the

devastation. So I just have just a tiny bit of understanding of

the devastation that that took place. So that's, that's

dramatic and traumatic in and of itself. So you had this

devastating moment here. But the thing is, Michael, so many

people, when they have a devastating moment, like a death

in the family get stuck, they stay there, they stay in a place

of hurt or bitterness or just they stay in a stuck place. But

you chose not to stay stuck. And you have now half his vestige of

resilience. So what are some of the things that you did to not

stay stuck in grief and all the other things that came with

losing your father? What are some of the things that you then

did in response to that defining moment?

Absolutely. Great question, Brad. So, yeah,

it's, you know, I thought, No one for getting getting stuck at

all, we all get stuck at times in life. The question is, you

know, are we going to stay there? So I certainly, you know,

dealt with some some powerful emotions, some powerful negative

emotions, after receiving that news. But I had a stronger

desire Brad to, to do something, to take action in some way. That

would, one, honor my earthly father, but he Jackson, and also

honor my Heavenly Father, as well. I'm a man of faith,

though, that was important to me. And thirdly, do something to

help my island build back stronger. So what I did, I had

heard about a hurricane relief effort that my church it started

for the island of Puerto Rico. And I, you know, approached my

church leadership about I said, Well, hey, you know, I'm the US

Virgin Islands, just to the east of Puerto Rico was slammed not

by one but but to category five hurricanes, and there's no, you

know, relief effort for them. And I believe strongly in being

a potter to the being a part of the solution and part of the

problem. So while I was somewhat will say, angered by the by the

lack of attention, because it was lack of attention in the

news media, as well volunteered, I raised my hand and I said, I,

I'm willing to be a part of the solution, and offered myself up

to lead a hurricane relief effort through my church that

eventually saw dozens upon dozens of volunteers go down,

and not only to St. Thomas, but also to St. JOHN and to St.

Croix, the other two of the three US Virgin Islands, to help

people we build their lives, and we build their homes and then we

During that time of helping to rebuild, where I, as I mentioned

earlier, began to reflect back on my own life and some of the

other adversities beyond this most recent loss of my dad that

I was able to overcome. And I recognized that there was a

pattern of

system that I use to overcome that adversity, or

breaking a pattern system here Just a minute. But just to

reflect for a second, what you actually did in the moment, is

you assess that, and there was a great need at hand, pretty

obvious in the Virgin Islands, you utilize some present

organization, your church, but then you took it further, you

organized and you got your hands dirty, you got physically

involved with it, you took some bold and really direct action,

didn't you? I mean, you really got involved, you didn't let

other people do it, you really got involved and what is less,

as you think you learned about taking bold and distinct action.

Some some lessons I learned Brad is is to,

again, be when you when you, when you when you see something,

you know, they say when you see something, say something was

said when you see something, do something, do something, it was

obviously greatly personal to me, you know, we've all seen

destructions and, you know, the destructive natural disasters

across the world. And we we watch these things on on on

television, perhaps, you know, we we sympathize with with the

folks. But for me, I not only sympathize, but I empathize

because I was I was connected to this, I took that bull action.

And, and before I actually, you know, there were, there were

some things I had to navigate in terms of reaching out to

different organizations on the island to, for us to partner

with and so forth. But for me, it was, it was personal. And I

could either I could either soak and sink, or, you know, take, as

you say, take bold action to do something about it. And it was

impactful, not only to me, but to all the all the volunteers

that actually went down stories came back, just to you know,

that came back to me that said, cuz I wasn't on every mission

trip, that that was taken, I kind of led and co led the

effort from here and did a couple of them myself. But when

stories came back from the volunteers about one, the impact

they were able to make on the islands, to the impact that was

made upon them in terms of this was life changing for some

folks, in order to deal with some of the stuff that they're

dealing with personally, to be able to have an impact on

others, is really what it's all about. And I sense that's one of

the reasons why you know, you do this podcast, Brad? Sure,

absolutely. Well, I just, I'm a big believer that

when something happens, you need to take action, or else life

will just happened to you. And that always you know, that's not

always the best outcome. And he did mentioned though, Michael,

that you're a man of faith. And you also mentioned how you

worked through your, your church in order to do some of these

things. Let's talk for a minute about for relationship of a

spiritual aspect or a power beyond yourself to help empower

you to do this transformative thing, both personally

transformative, and to be engaged transformation of

others. Talk a little bit about the importance of being

empowered by something greater than yourself in order to do

these things.

Absolutely. You know, faith, faith for me is

is foundational, Brad, I know you're a pastor, so you know,

you we can we can talk on this level in terms of belief in

Jesus Christ, you know that that's what drives me. That's my

my foundation, and my anchor, I grew up in a Christian household

values were passed on to me from my parents, but particularly my

mother and my grandmother, I now then extend that out to, you

know, every, every everyone I touch on in the forums that

informs everything I do, there's so much that can be said about

that. But I'll say that it's foundational

Foundation, I like to think of in terms of, you

know, we can't really do a whole lot unless we are empowered. And

the best place to be empowered is through our scripture, a lot

of spiritual life, and through our prayer life and scripture

and other things that help to the formation of that. But also

another thing that can we do here you mentioned a little bit

already as how relationships are important in order to help us I

call it the fuel of how we accomplish transformation and to

get through adversity is relationships, you were

obviously, fueled by your relationship with your father,

this was an impetus for what you were doing. And then you talked

about some of the people you've worked with, and building teams

and so on. But tell me a little bit about the importance of

loving, caring, deep emotional relationships, mid terrain, or

family relationships, or anything that helps fuel you to

make some of these changes. And those, how that's important in

your process.

Absolutely, relationships are our key, you

know, and some of the most important crucial relationships

in my life has been one obviously, my, my dad, my dad

gave me the example of showing him a man of integrity, strong

worth work ethic, Dad was, you know, he was, you know, one of

these old, old school Caribbean guys that work hard, man, a few

words, you know, he was definitely a man of his time in

terms of man a few words, and, you know, he meant what he said,

and so forth. And set for me the example of being present, you

know, I'm happy to say that, you know, I've come from A to two

parent household, being present. And, and also just that, that

work ethic, and then my mom, together with my, her mother, my

grandmother, because we lived in a kind of a multi generational

household as well, I had, you know, answer around uncles, my

grandmother, and so forth. And, you know, my mom and my

grandmother, like I said, earlier, you know, gave me that

certainly gave me that faith foundation in terms of being

able to have that relationship with God, right, through Jesus.

And then there were others, other people that that were

impactful is too many dimension. But I would be remiss not to

mention my wife, who is probably one of the strongest people I

know, you know, and who I derive strength from, and she derives

strength from me as well, some of the things that she's gone

through in terms of losses, I've certainly divide, derive

strength from as well,

that's awesome. And then a part of what the process

of being fueled by relationships has to do with how those things

influence us, you know, influence the men and women that

we are. And then if we choose to, then we can be an influencer

in a positive way, hopefully, on other people. And that's because

you care, because you've been you've been cared for you've

been fueled. And now you can care for others. And a part of

the way that it seems to me, Michael, that you have cared for

others, is by choosing to pass along your knowledge and your

experience and your expertise and your strategic thinking and

your writing to others. And so you chose to create a business

and develop a process that you call the plan process. In other

words, you've organized your experience, and now you're

sharing this with other people. And so I'm really interested in,

in the, both the personal disciplines, you know, our our

habits and things of this nature, but also then how we

then organize that to share with other people. So I'd like to

talk for just a second, but any personal disciplines that you

may have, then let's start to apply this to your teaching your

plan, plan. Sure,

sure. You know, I do my best to walk the

talk, if you will. So when we talk about plan, and the four

steps of this resilience, building blueprint, you know,

the first of which is p for practice, Korean meditation, for

in meditation, daily, and that's a discipline and a practice that

goes goes back to, you know, my foundation of faith, you know,

let me mention to Brad that to know me is to know, my values.

And, you know, years ago, I went through this exercise where I

and you perhaps, have done the same really thought about and

wrote down what my core values are. And my my top five are

faith, family, spiritual growth, love of learning and impacting

people. One in three is faith in God to Jesus Christ. And three

is spiritual growth, because it's not enough to just believe,

but you have to also be dedicated to that growth. And

that growth for me, and, you know, is is kind of worked out

on a daily basis, through prayer, my prayer and meditation

time.

And that's also that's also the first point of

your plan, plan. And so that tells me that too. is me that

Michael, but how you're prioritizing your process here

and you're making your your prayer and practice, and

meditation as a as a high priority. But now let's see how

we translate this to other folks through your business and your

teaching. And your transformation is where we get

into a little bit more of your plan. Plan. So but unpack some

of that for us.

Sure. So I, you know, I mentioned that the

the first step in this four step, what I call it, my fourth

step, with a hurricane proof, storm proof resilience, building

blueprint is, as I mentioned, that, you know, practice prayer

and meditation, I encourage folks, and this is not just for,

you know, there might be people there likely people that are

listening, that are a different, have a different faith tradition

from yourself and myself. And for me, it's really about taking

time to get centered, you know, first in the morning, to really

center yourself, right? That's a foundational practice of, of

prayer and meditation and taking time out to gratitude, to have

gratitude to express gratitude to that higher power. In my

case, it's God, you know, to encourage folks now to not just,

you know, go through life, some, some people may jump the prayer

when, you know, when track and track when adversity strikes,

and I say, let's be proactive, you know, that practice of

prayer and meditation center yourself, deep breathing

exercises, and I encourage folks to, there are so many, there's a

multitude of apps on on your phone, Brad, that folks can

avail themselves of, to actually do guided meditations, and to

actually, you know, help with that prayer life, as well, in

terms of, you know, as a Christian, you have Bible apps,

and so forth.

So, if I can reflect what you just said on

that one, it would happen to me when crisis happens when when

adversity strikes, which it does for the just and the unjust

alike. Or when no matter what your spiritual background or

practices, don't panic with it, you know, don't go don't go into

crisis yourself, but to take a moment to pause to be reflective

to prayerfully approach it if from if you're from that faith

tradition, so very good. And then the weights are no, just

keep going. That's the P, we've ever they're pretty good. Let's

let's keep going with the L

Yeah. So the L is to lean in. And listen,

listen for the lesson. And I say the mean, and that that goes

back to that goes to, if you're a person of faith, lean into

your faith, certainly lean into your community that goes back to

what we were talking about, about the importance of

relationships. Too often, when we're, when we're going through

adversity, the natural inkling can be to turn inward. And I

certainly had my times in life where, you know, when when I

went through a time period in my life, where I had kind of lost

everything, you know, went through a couple of corporate

layoffs, went through divorce, bankruptcy, and so forth. And I

was just, you know, depressed and dejected. They want to see

anybody spent a lot of time in my pajamas. And you know,

friends would come around and try to try to, you know, to get

me out, and I would, I would refuse, but there came a time

where I did lean in to my community, those people in your

life that you can lean on, and learn from as well that have

your best interests at heart. So I say, part of the L is to is to

lean in, lean into your community, your friendships, I

relationship with God and so forth. And then listen for the

lesson. Brad, I'm sure you can attest to the fact that there's

always a lesson buried in every adversity that we faced, that we

face. All we we have to but we have to choose to listen for,

which is part of what your Sandel is, as well for at least

I would reflect with you about that. You have to listen for

it. Because if we choose to we can descend into

bitterness or malaise I called the Malays of mediocrity, we

just kind of get stuck. And so but we had to listen for it and

learn and love and all those type of things. They're yet to

apply it in the application process here is so important,

not just to absorb but to apply.

Apply application is key. application

is key and and and that actually leads leads to the age or the

age, not for application, but it's true. It is for act and I

say act accordingly. But it's really about application and

it's really about Cuz I always say, you know, Faith without

works is dead. That's biblical bread, you know that that goes

back to taking bold action, you know, it doesn't have to be your

bold action, you're acting accordingly. It doesn't have to

look like mine or look like yours. You know, it's it's, I

think unique, not unique. Many people have lost people in, you

know, in natural disasters, but not everybody. So not everybody

can identify with leading a hurricane relief effort, but

reflect on what bold action to use your words, right? Can Can

you take today to dig yourself out of that hole that you might

be in to build yourself out of that depression, and that

anxiety. And that goes back to steps one and two about you

know, that that practicing that prayer, and meditation that

leaning in and that listening, but to it's important to take

that action, and sometimes read honestly, the action might just

be to stand in your situation and wait. Sometimes the action

might just be waiting, sometimes you can't do anything, but

change your mind. And your your perception of events at the

time.

Well, the idea I think here is our part of the

idea here is it doesn't have to be the bold action doesn't

always have to be huge steps. For some of us a bold action can

be just getting out of your pajamas, put your clothes on and

saying earlier, or for folks who I've just literally talking to a

neighbor of mine lives across the street from where I live,

just before we came on to our podcast. And she was saying that

when the first time she's been out of her house since the COVID

crisis happened. So for her, it was a huge step, to get out the

house to step out of the house just to say hello to a neighbor.

So whatever it is, what I'm trying to get with you is those

bold actions means taking a step, you know, taking a baby

step. Right. Right, right. So what's the what's the end.

So the end, step four, is n for no teacher

mind state, and that really talks about the benefits of

journaling, there's a lot of research around the benefits of

journaling, just to adjust, I similar to the benefits of of

prayer and meditation in terms of, you know, stress reduction,

you know, when when you take the time to actually, you know,

write your thoughts out, it does a couple of does a couple of

things for me. And, um, you know, there's tons of evidence

that it does this for others in that it allows you to reflect

back on, you know, as you, as you reflect back on your old

journal entries, you see that you may not, you might not have

faced this exact same circumstance previously, but

you've been through some things, and you've gotten through them.

And I say, you can take that and say, Well, I was able to get

through this, by the grace of God, I was able to get through

that, then. So now I can actually get through this. And

that gives me hope for the future, Brad, and that this

won't be the end of me at all, or it it it doesn't necessarily

have to be you know, the end of me it's based on on your

choices. But the benefits of Erlang are manifold.

And the fact that you're recording it, you know,

you're recording it writing it down for some people audio

journal, things like this, but also the you can combine the the

spiritual element and the journaling element together as

well, if you choose to, as well as many other things, you know,

some people kind of give an example some people kind of

journal in a way by letter writing, you know, they'll write

letters to a loved one or a neighbor or, you know, even a

fan of someone, sometimes they write letters or don't even send

them but they process and that's a message way but writing things

down or processing them audio or in a tackle author through

writing is so important. Michael, you've been able to get

this whole plan the P L. A, and plan here is all about your

resilience building blueprint, is that correct? That is

correct. I

always say Brad, if it you know, in terms

of building or rebuilding a house, if you will, or any, you

know, any structure, right? You start with plans and blueprints.

So this is your blueprint for rebuilding your life.

And this is the foundation of the business that

you have built now, which basically has the theme of

building back stronger. And you have put together this business

was speaking and teaching and you're a writer, and you you do

workshops and so on. Tell us a bit about that and what the

manifesting Have that and I'm particularly interested in

Michael, any stories you may have of people or groups that

you may have worked with where you've seen some results or seen

some manifestation of what you're teaching about your

resilience building blueprint.

Absolutely. So yes, as you mentioned, you

know, the, an outgrowth of my process of reflection after

losing my dad was to start this speaking and training business,

you know, Michael Kay Jackson International. And, for me, you

know, as you know, in terms of purpose, this is quite aligned

with my, with my, my career choices, and, you know, I come

from a background of, of training and speaking, you know,

first in corporate and then for the government, this was, so

this was a natural outgrowth to get out there. And now speaking

and train, you know, various organizations, you know,

building emotional resilience, and, you know, organizations,

I've spoken at, you know, several, several conferences,

done workshops, and so forth. And, you know, the feedback I've

gotten from participants, which are typically business people,

professionals, either business owners or, you know,

professionals in corporate, that have come back to me and say,

you know, just just thanking me for providing, you know, this

this blueprint, because, as as, you know, King Solomon said,

1000s of years ago, Brad, is there's nothing new under the

sun. Right? You know, so Exactly. So, and even there,

there are many similarities, and you're applying in my plan, and

several others, but I think it's the application. So, you know,

in terms of results, I've I've, you know, gotten, like I said, a

ton of feedback from people in terms of rethinking and

rethinking, about, for example, journaling, particularly with us

men, Brad, you know, a lot of men don't like, like journaling,

because I always say, it's not, it's, this is not an exercise

for, you know, like, you'd like to think about, you know,

teenage girls with the with the diaries button, it's really,

like I said, there's a ton of research around the benefits.

And, you know, guys have come back and said, you know, you

know what, this distance, you know, just that practice alone.

It's about it's about intentionally processing

your thoughts. Sometimes we don't want to do that. Sometimes

we just like to like, okay, let's just let it slide, let's

let you know, I'd like to see if we can just get through another

day. And what you told us in intentional live, exactly

intentional living. And your whole process here is about a

blueprint. But the blueprint does no good unless you build

something on it. And that says, the process here that you're

talking about, and how you have at various corporate entities

and individuals who you shared with your process. So if people

want to find out what you do offer, either your website or

otherwise, what kind of things do you offer to be helpful to in

a corporate environment? Or even individual coaching? Or whatever

it would be? What kinds of things are people going to find

when that's contact Michael K. Jackson, calm?

Yep. So best thing, best, best way to reach

me is go to Michael K. Jackson, calm and if you are a listen to

this, and you are or know, a, you know, a meeting planner,

meeting professional, you know, I one thing I do is, is to do

keynote speeches and workshops, at conferences, but I also

partner with various associations and companies

themselves who want to particularly in this time,

there's a huge focus on emotional well being mental well

being, you know, in light of what we've all gone through with

COVID what we've gone through with and are still going through

with, you know, the various, you know, racial and justices that

have happened across the past year that we continue to witness

on on television and some continue to experience you know,

companies and associations want to provide their people with

tools and capabilities to actually be able to be more

productive employees. So I, part of what I do is, is come in and

provide an in particularly in this virtual world come in

provide a virtual workshop where we kind of take a deeper dive

into this plan, resilience building framework, so that

their people can be as I say, you know, more more productive,

the organization can be more profitable, and boys can have

more peace of mind basically,

what here's the thing, hey, at least I believe

this see what you think that a organization a business entity,

a family, a church organization, cannot be? Truly productive or

live out its its potential if it's been waylaid by adversity,

if it's been offered a ditch somewhere, and that's and most

and most time, those are individual or, you know,

corporate, you know, a business can have a downfall of course,

but those downfalls you know, the into individuals, that's

what I'm trying to say are the ones who are impacted by

adversity, whether it's death in the family, as us indicated,

could be a divorce, it could be the COVID crisis disease, you

know, or as a cancer or something like that. Our debt,

you know, you have a financial reversal, or and all of a

sudden, that pension you were counting on wasn't quite there

when the business collapsed, and ILA anything along that line,

oh, depression, you know, just the overarching mental health

thing. Those are individual aspects. And we got to deal with

those in order to have success in our businesses, our family or

life or anything like that. Then we can find all about this of

Michael Kay Jackson. Right? Okay. Jackson, calm? Yes.

Awesome. Let's bring it around. One more thing, one more, I like

to kind of close with this thought here. And I want your

reflection on this, try to put yourself in or try to put

yourself in the position of Now, speaking to young man, or

perhaps a young woman who's had a devastating experience in

their life, you know, you had the devastation of losing your

father in a terrible tragedy, a hurricane. But now somebody has

come to you and said, Michael, I've had this devastation in my

life, I'm going through a divorce, or I lost my job, or I

lost my business or, you know, I had a death in the family or

maybe my own health issues. What kinds of things would you share

with that person? What kind of a thing would you share to help

that person to move out of being stuck out of their pajamas as it

were into a different place? What are you going to share with

that person? What kind of things are you going to build with

them?

First and most important thing, I would

say something always say and that's to make adversity your

advisor, not your adversary, make adversity your advisor, not

your adversary, you know, we we have a choice, right, as we've

said, in terms of, okay, you know, we've experienced this,

this loss, we're in whatever form that loss has taken. And we

can either allow it to crush us or allow it to actually have

some benefit and rebuild. And it begins with, you know, the

renewing of the mind, it begins by your perspective on this

situation. So I say, change the wave initially, if you're

looking at it negatively, change the way you're looking at this

situation, because, you know, just, you know, and I feel free

to, to say this here that my life verse, Brad, as Romans 828,

you know, all things work together for the good of those

who love Him who are called according to His purpose. It's

all about knowing that, and this is what I know pastor mine told

me to a long time ago, nothing is wasted. It's it's all about

how you view the situation. So if somebody came to me and asked

me that question, I would deal with mindset first, it's all in

how you look at a situation, make adversity advisor, not your

adversary. And one of the ways you do that is to actually

implement this plan, resilience building framework.

What a great way to end our conversation here,

Michael, what a gem make adversity, your advisor, not

your adversarial. I love that. I want to use it myself a little

bit. So appreciate. Just give me credit card. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Well, it's been a pleasure having you with us here

today. I commend to our listeners here on beyond

adversity. Michael K. jackson.com. His resources that

he has there on his website and his his book,

I'd also like to in just invite your your

listeners to gratitude, feel free to connect with me on

social media. I'm most active on LinkedIn, you can find me that

Michael, Michael K. Jackson,

very good. And we will put all those links of all

your social media in our show notes at Dr. Brad Miller calm.

Pleasure to have you with us here today. Our guest today on

the beyond adversity podcast, Michael K. Jackson.